Here are the fastest non-African 5000m times:
12:54.70 Dieter BAUMANN
12:55.53 Chris SOLINSKY
12:55.76 Craig MOTTRAM
12:56.27 Dathan RITZENHEIN
12:58.10 Woody KINCAID
12:58.21 Bob KENNEDY
12:58.56 Matt TEGENKAMP
12:58.90 Galen RUPP
13:00.39 Matthew CENTROWITZ
13:00.41 David MOORCROFT
13:02.03 Jakob INGEBRIGTSEN
I think Jakob is ready to get on the top of this list, maybe even take the ER (12:53.11) from Mo Farah.
think first wrote:
Here are the fastest non-African 5000m times:
12:54.70 Dieter BAUMANN
12:55.53 Chris SOLINSKY
12:55.76 Craig MOTTRAM
12:56.27 Dathan RITZENHEIN
12:58.10 Woody KINCAID
12:58.21 Bob KENNEDY
12:58.56 Matt TEGENKAMP
12:58.90 Galen RUPP
13:00.39 Matthew CENTROWITZ
13:00.41 David MOORCROFT
13:02.03 Jakob INGEBRIGTSEN
I think Jakob is ready to get on the top of this list, maybe even take the ER (12:53.11) from Mo Farah.
Mohammed Mourit from Morocco married a Belgian woman and gained Belgian citizenship, took some EPO and set an ER with 12.49.71.
Elliot Giles is also running the 1500 in Gateshead. What can he do?
Loppas wrote:
Mohammed Mourit from Morocco married a Belgian woman and gained Belgian citizenship, took some EPO and set an ER with 12.49.71.
Why you don't call him Belgian?
He run and trained for Belgium (Europe) and is he some extra-terrestrial from another planet?
Passant wrote:
Loppas wrote:
Mohammed Mourit from Morocco married a Belgian woman and gained Belgian citizenship, took some EPO and set an ER with 12.49.71.
Why you don't call him Belgian?
He run and trained for Belgium (Europe) and is he some extra-terrestrial from another planet?
Because he is born and lived most of his life in Khourigba and Rabat, Morocco. He gained his belgian citizenship in 1997 from marriage. But still mostly trained in Rabat and Ifrane.
Makhloufi (Gold Olympic medal 2012) took EPO too? right?
When you are living in a dirty world, it's easy to claim itself an angel and the others satanic creatures.
Passant wrote:
Makhloufi (Gold Olympic medal 2012) took EPO too? right?
When you are living in a dirty world, it's easy to claim itself an angel and the others satanic creatures.
Mourit has actually been banned for EPO!
Passant wrote:
Makhloufi (Gold Olympic medal 2012) took EPO too? right?
When you are living in a dirty world, it's easy to claim itself an angel and the others satanic creatures.
Belgium's two-time world cross country champion Mohammed Mourhit will serve the full two-year suspension for doping until May 2004 after deciding not to appeal against his punishment, it was reported.
Mourhit would have had to lodge his appeal by Wednesday but the Moroccan-born athlete decided against it and has also opted not to ask the Lausanne-based Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) to examine his case, the Belga agency said.
The European record holder over 3,000 metres, 5,000m and 10,000m tested positive for the endurance-boosting substance EPO and a masking product on May last year ahead of the World Half Marathon championships in Brussels.
Loppas wrote:
Passant wrote:
Makhloufi (Gold Olympic medal 2012) took EPO too? right?
When you are living in a dirty world, it's easy to claim itself an angel and the others satanic creatures.
Belgium's two-time world cross country champion Mohammed Mourhit will serve the full two-year suspension for doping until May 2004 after deciding not to appeal against his punishment, it was reported.
Mourhit would have had to lodge his appeal by Wednesday but the Moroccan-born athlete decided against it and has also opted not to ask the Lausanne-based Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) to examine his case, the Belga agency said.
The European record holder over 3,000 metres, 5,000m and 10,000m tested positive for the endurance-boosting substance EPO and a masking product on May last year ahead of the World Half Marathon championships in Brussels.
This the problem of Belgium and the runner and what he decided to do in his life.
If some gangster from North Africa decide to invade Spain using boat and you accept it in your society. Then it's his origin to blame?
As has said some Moroccan foreign minister, Europe has to stop playing the teacher. We will never accept this role.
Was there a non EPO Morroccan champion ever?
Doping was probably institutionalised like in GDR, Soviet Union and China.
I hope Jakob can dip under 12:49 to erase this "Belgian" ER.
your comment is ridiculous.There would never be thousands of north americans or europeans running that fast,even with drugsNot even close..East africans are born to run.Yes they mass dope,but their depth and talent is extraordinary.They also live and train at high altitude.There is no way in hell a "clean" runner from near sea leval in europe,aged 19-20 could ever keep to them in a race,not unless hes on the same drugs they are.
Nobody cares what you believe. You have absolutely no proof for Ingebrigtsen doing anything illegal. He has been an outstanding talent since 10 years old, have the advantage of two older brothers in the world elite and a couch who have perfected his program on these older brothers. And Norway is testing more than any nation, also during covid.
So just shut up. Some people are way more talented than you. Deal with it.
Nor-way wrote:
Nobody cares what you believe. You have absolutely no proof for Ingebrigtsen doing anything illegal. He has been an outstanding talent since 10 years old, have the advantage of two older brothers in the world elite and a couch who have perfected his program on these older brothers. And Norway is testing more than any nation, also during covid.
So just shut up. Some people are way more talented than you. Deal with it.
I think he is replying to posters throwing a blanket over all African runners and considering them dopers.
It is not too far-fetched to wonder if the Ingebrigtsens dpoe when they beat/have beaten many suspected and a good number of confirmed dopers.
I am sure that if they are clean they will laugh about it and take it as a compliment.
Now that I recall, this Mourith was one of the first discoveries at the end of 90s. He was so proud talking about him at the Radio saying he realized a good time 3:37 in the 1500m while still young.
Said Aouita was a bit more humain and sociable than El Guerrouj but naïve and imprudent in the most time.
I think El Guerrouj coming from the region of Berkane (I learned that in fact his father is from Chefchaouen, Nord of Morocco) which is well know to have people with "hard temperament". For this reason I think he was extremely prudent in his training. And took his distance from others Moroccan runners knowing how some of them act.
Remember 8 years with almost no defeat. You should have the character to do that.
I'm just a bit sad for the next Olympic Games that Kiplimo will run only the 10.000. If not I see on him the one that will end this arrogance.
Nor-way wrote:
Nobody cares what you believe. You have absolutely no proof for Ingebrigtsen doing anything illegal. He has been an outstanding talent since 10 years old, have the advantage of two older brothers in the world elite and a couch who have perfected his program on these older brothers. And Norway is testing more than any nation, also during covid.
So just shut up. Some people are way more talented than you. Deal with it.
Yeah
....About that "talent":
https://cn.reuters.com/article/instant-article/idUSKBN1EV0ECLoppas wrote:
Elliot Giles is also running the 1500 in Gateshead. What can he do?
Probably 3:42-3:45
He does extremely low mileage, he won't be strong enough to run a fast 1500
Fasterer wrote:
Nor-way wrote:
Nobody cares what you believe. You have absolutely no proof for Ingebrigtsen doing anything illegal. He has been an outstanding talent since 10 years old, have the advantage of two older brothers in the world elite and a couch who have perfected his program on these older brothers. And Norway is testing more than any nation, also during covid.
So just shut up. Some people are way more talented than you. Deal with it.
Yeah
....About that "talent":
https://cn.reuters.com/article/instant-article/idUSKBN1EV0EC
Lol. That's your proof that Norwegian runners are doping? Something about xcountry skiers who have lung issues due to being in the -10F weather?
Shall I attach for you the hundreds of articles regarding Kenyan PED users? With actual runners? Did you also know an asthma medication is nothing compared to the full blown mega PED usage in east africa?
srwj wrote:
Nor-way wrote:
Nobody cares what you believe. You have absolutely no proof for Ingebrigtsen doing anything illegal. He has been an outstanding talent since 10 years old, have the advantage of two older brothers in the world elite and a couch who have perfected his program on these older brothers. And Norway is testing more than any nation, also during covid.
So just shut up. Some people are way more talented than you. Deal with it.
I think he is replying to posters throwing a blanket over all African runners and considering them dopers.
It is not too far-fetched to wonder if the Ingebrigtsens dpoe when they beat/have beaten many suspected and a good number of confirmed dopers.
I am sure that if they are clean they will laugh about it and take it as a compliment.
How come you didn't come here and protect the Russians when the leftist BLMers threw a blanket over every Russian?
whatchawant wrote:
srwj wrote:
I think he is replying to posters throwing a blanket over all African runners and considering them dopers.
It is not too far-fetched to wonder if the Ingebrigtsens dpoe when they beat/have beaten many suspected and a good number of confirmed dopers.
I am sure that if they are clean they will laugh about it and take it as a compliment.
How come you didn't come here and protect the Russians when the leftist BLMers threw a blanket over every Russian?
I come you want me to justify my actions to you? Idiot.