Katelyn Tuohy continues to IMPROVE!

Who are the other freshmen who advanced? I only know of one freshman Grace Forbes, who is really a sophomore for every other season besides outdoor track and field, who is a top Runner. What other freshmen are running Nationals distance?

I think there's another good freshman on Florida State, but she's a redshirt freshman, I think Virginia Tech has a couple of good young Runner is but they're not technically freshman.

Anyway I've already explained multiple times that she just hit the wall for this season it wasn't a bad day it was just that's all she had left for this year. It's like people do realize that you only have so many fast races each season in your legs! you can't just keep improving every week. But obviously you don't know ahead of time exactly when that will be and especially given how crazy this year was schedule-wise

There's a lot of really good freshman! Whitney Orton she's a freshman. Ella Donahue she's a freshman, Ellie hennes she's a freshman , Hannah Steelman is a freshman. Chrissy gear is a freshman. She might curse like a senior but she's only a freshman. Katelyn Tuohy will be swimming in those pristine Waters around New York City to get her groove back oh, don't worry!

I'm really not sold on the idea that she magically hit some sort of wall two weeks after she looked the best she has looked in college so far. If she had run 4:16 and lost ground in the last turn that would be one thing. But 4:23 where she was fading before the last lap even started seems like something else.

But on to next season.

Tori Herman is a freshman. She qualified in 1500, in the east.

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Again has a freshman ever won the 1500 or 5000m? Would have to go back and look but it does not come to mind.

For women, I could be wrong but didn't Suzy Favor Hamilton win a title her freshman year?

For men, I believe German Fernandez did.

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astro wrote:

Again has a freshman ever won the 1500 or 5000m? Would have to go back and look but it does not come to mind.

For women, I could be wrong but didn't Suzy Favor Hamilton win a title her freshman year?

For men, I believe German Fernandez did.

Looks like yes, Suzy Favor Hamilton did: Entering Wisconsin as a freshman in 1987, Favor Hamilton wasted little time writing herself into the record books, winning NCAA titles in the indoor mile and 1500 meter outdoors. The Stevens Point, Wis., native also captured Big Ten titles in the 800 and 1500 meters, which would be the first of many.

I was going to write after I looked it up. Suzy Favor back in 1987.

Many qualified. You seem stuck on the age thing though. The ncaa doesn't really care how old you are, just what your eligibility is.

In distance events that isn't realistic. There is a definite age factor.

It is real. Many freshmen qualified.

Posts like this makes me think you don’t really understand any of this works. I don’t think they made any age based exceptions at the Regionals and they aren’t going to make any exceptions in the finals. Like it or not, nobody cares about age after high school. It becomes all about performance.

In distance events there tends to a developmental gap between runners in their teens and runners in their 20s that correlates directly to performance. Does not seem all that controversial.

I’m still wondering about the theory about some of the NC State team getting sick at Regionals. There might be something to this. Looking through the meet results and saw that one of their best runners (Clairemont) DNF’d both the 10K and 5K. She was 3rd at ACC in sub 33 minutes in the 10K which is awesome so would have been favored to qualify but didn’t finish either race. Two other NC state runners also ran in that 1st round of the 1500 and were way off their PRs. Their #2 steepler on the team well off PR. There is a pattern here - I doubt it was just heat and humidity - they have that in Raleigh too. Tuohy also known to run well in hot weather based on past performances. I suspect food poisoning or some such issue. So unfortunate but stuff like this happens sometimes.

No one is saying anything about making any exceptions. If you look at all the data over time there is a strong correlation that upperclassmen (both women and men) tend to perform better in these distance events. Sometimes there are outliers but overall upperclassmen are the majority of the qualifiers. Things are especially weird this year because so many came back for the extra year in indoor and outdoor and if they already redshirted too they have been around forever! Then you have some true freshman in outdoor and what I call the “COVID” freshmen that are sophomores academically and have run two years of XC And indoor already.

You can add to the list Steelman in the 5,000, and maybe Henes as well were off their "A" games. I didn't think Steelman looked good in the 3,000, though she easily qualified, as did Henes in the 5,000.

Not denying that runners develop into their 20s. Just annoyed by your absurdity. You seem to want it both ways when it comes to Touhy. When she runs well you carry on about her greatness. When she runs poorly you go on and on searching for someone ridiculous reason for the outcome.

You constantly discount other runner’s performances. Because for some reason in your head nobody is better than Touhy. Your unhealthy obsession with her has turned you into a joke. You’ve reached a point where you are you are arguing that she is the best runner in the NCAA, she’s just not old enough to win yet. It sounds ridiculous, because it is ridiculous.

You are exhausting.

I agree and I think those two runners are just at a much higher performance level and had a little more margin for error on a rough day. Glad they qualified safely!

Huh? I simply pointed out by that her times at regionals were way off what she has run this season. That is indiaputable. In 1500m she ran 10 seconds slower than she ran consecutively at the ACCs. Then she ran 16:45 in the 5000m and stayed in the rear the pack the entire race. Not that it changes anything, but that was well beyond a random off day.

Looked she just got overwhelmed from the pressure to qualify. It happens to the best.