Is Pete Julien a bad coach?

I always thought the separation between Julian and Salazar was overblown. I'm sure Salazar had a very tight control over everyone, even "Pete's athletes". Now that they just have Pete, they seem to be lacking something that they used to have.

It was convenient for guys like Engels to deflect by saying they were coached by Pete, not Salazar. LOL, yeah right.

Technically, he's right.

Pete is their coach.

Salazar was their laboratory.

They are athletes now, not guinea pigs.

fghrunner wrote:

Poor results today from Efraimson and Rogers (both seemed to take nose dives as soon as they began working with him) and also Engels. Koko is as good as she was when she started working with him but hasnt improved and seems to just be super talented. Brazier and Hull are arguments in the pro column, but again they would be hard for anyone to mess up too badly...

Japanese marathon NR by Suguru?

Think Efraimson has grown into a different body. Her best days are behind her.

Rogers is resting on her laurels. Because you’d face is on the stadium doesn’t give you a spot.

Koko had some injury/personal issues to resolve. She’ll be back better than ever.

Craig’s head is not in it currently.

I wonder if Julien changed things up this year. His athletes were on fire in 2019 and 2020. Brazier world champ in 2019. Engels US champ and made the world champs final. He brought Rowbury back from pregnancy in 2020 and Hull set Aussie records in the 15/3/5. This year Engels has been a bit off. Brazier has had injury problems. Efraimson has been awful. Rogers looked better today running under 2:00. I don’t think Engels or Jenkins will be Olympians but most of the others will be okay.

As someone else said, Efraimson is continuing a downward trend that has everything to do with biology and nothing to do with coaching.

Engels caught lightning in a bottle a few years back, but is a flake and not professional so I never expected him to have much staying power.

Rogers seems fine, still transitioning.

Brazier has run well this year. Minor injuries happen.

Japanese guy has been very good.

Klosterhalfen is not healthy and the clock is ticking. Ran a NR in Austin a few months ago so I'm not sure what you can argue with there.

Curious to see Rowbury open up. Has a real shot at the team in the 5k.

Who did I miss?

I believe the discussion on who is a good and bad coach of professionals needs to wait until the Olympic trials. If they suck it up at the trials, then it's time to discuss because they weren't ready for the one race they should be ready for.

Kind of like centro. I'm not jumping on the centro is done bandwagon until he doesn't qualify for the Olympics

adobe wrote:

As someone else said, Efraimson is continuing a downward trend that has everything to do with biology and nothing to do with coaching.

Engels caught lightning in a bottle a few years back, but is a flake and not professional so I never expected him to have much staying power.

Rogers seems fine, still transitioning.

Brazier has run well this year. Minor injuries happen.

Japanese guy has been very good.

Klosterhalfen is not healthy and the clock is ticking. Ran a NR in Austin a few months ago so I'm not sure what you can argue with there.

Curious to see Rowbury open up. Has a real shot at the team in the 5k.

Who did I miss?

I’ve seen Hasay on the Nike track with Efraimson and Hull 2-3 times over the last few weeks.

Julian was never a head coach. Always Salazar.

His athletes will be fine as it's still Alberto's program.

fghrunner wrote:

Poor results today from Efraimson and Rogers (both seemed to take nose dives as soon as they began working with him) and also Engels. Koko is as good as she was when she started working with him but hasnt improved and seems to just be super talented. Brazier and Hull are arguments in the pro column, but again they would be hard for anyone to mess up too badly...

Koko makes progress when she is at home in germany , Shannon doesn't need a training group , she knows how to make Teams. Everyone on that team is waiting for Alsal to return this summer .

fghrunner wrote:

Poor results today from Efraimson and Rogers (both seemed to take nose dives as soon as they began working with him) and also Engels. Koko is as good as she was when she started working with him but hasnt improved and seems to just be super talented. Brazier and Hull are arguments in the pro column, but again they would be hard for anyone to mess up too badly...

Y’all give me cancer. Again, these people are already in the trials and will run the standard when it matters. I don’t see anyone talking about how much of a failure the brooks team is. Yes Henry ran well today and so did Josh. Literally everyone else is hurt!!!! HOW. Everyone in Pete’s group has made a team. Let’s think before we speak. (Don’t even come at me with Alexa didn’t make one)

I’ve seen Hasay out there with them too. Getting her speed back. Hope Pete can turn her around for marathon like he has done with Suguru! Lots of talent there.

goodgooglymoogly wrote:

Y’all give me cancer. Again, these people are already in the trials and will run the standard when it matters. I don’t see anyone talking about how much of a failure the brooks team is. Yes Henry ran well today and so did Josh. Literally everyone else is hurt!!!! HOW. Everyone in Pete’s group has made a team. Let’s think before we speak. (Don’t even come at me with Alexa didn’t make one)

+1

Brooks team is in shambles with injury.

I think Hull is the best argument pro Julian. She basically joined when Al Sal was already gone; so it's on him.

Brazier got Gold and Koko a medal in 2019 so one can hardly complain but we will see how they continue. It can also be too easy to blame a coach for things he is not directly responsible for. (Like fluky behavior from guys like Brazier)

Efraimson was disappointing so far and Rogers as well, but I'd say that Rogers was decent last night in a crowded race 1:59 early in the season is certainly not bad.

Sorry, of course I meant Craigathor Engels with the reckless behavior, not Brazier, for all we know.

Salazar had nothing to do with the Pete's athletes such as Craig. Ya'll don't know what you are talking about. Salazar picked favorites and was not ashamed about it. If Galen was racing the fun run 5k and the rest of the team was at a Diamond League meet, guess where Alberto would be. An example was Craig Engels (Pete) and Clayton Murphy (Alberto). Alberto controlled Clayton's life and called him multiple times a day. Engels isn't professional enough and I don't think him and Alberto had more than a couple conversations.

God of Wine wrote:

Julian was never a head coach. Always Salazar.

His athletes will be fine as it's still Alberto's program.

It wasn't that Rodgers time was bad, but the race she ran was once again terrible. She has the race sense and tactics of 2017 Brazier.

His name is Pete JuliAn.

Pac80 wrote:

Salazar had nothing to do with the Pete's athletes such as Craig. Ya'll don't know what you are talking about. Salazar picked favorites and was not ashamed about it. If Galen was racing the fun run 5k and the rest of the team was at a Diamond League meet, guess where Alberto would be.

An example was Craig Engels (Pete) and Clayton Murphy (Alberto). Alberto controlled Clayton's life and called him multiple times a day. Engels isn't professional enough and I don't think him and Alberto had more than a couple conversations.

God of Wine wrote:

Julian was never a head coach. Always Salazar.

His athletes will be fine as it's still Alberto's program.

LOL you don't think Engels and Salazar had more than a few conversations? Are you out to lunch?

"Pete's athletes", yeah right. Those guys were the certainly the clean NOP, while Alberto was the dirty NOP. How naive are you people? They were all doing the same $hit.

I think Pete doesn't have enough control on his athletes like AlSal did. I mean he doesn't even live in Portland. Brazier is his cash cow and if he's healthy then we can put the GOLD around his neck. That's all Nike require to keep the team afloat.