CDC: Herd immunity never gonna happen

zxcvzxcv wrote:

"Researchers isolated the virus causing the pneumonia in December 2019 and found it to be a strain of β-coronavirus (CoV). The virus showed a high nucleotide sequence homology with two severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-like bat coronaviruses, bat-SL-CoVZC45 and bat-SL-CoVZXC21 (88% homology) and with SARS-CoV (79.5% homology), while only 50% homology with the Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS) CoV.2,3 The virus, now named SARS-CoV-2, contains a single positive stranded RNA (ribonucleic acid) of 30 kilobases, which encodes for 10 genes.4 "

"The size of the bovine genome is 3 Gb (3 billion base pairs). It contains approximately 22,000 genes of which 14,000 are common to all mammalian species. Bovines share 80 percent of their genes with humans; cows are less similar to humans than rodents (humans and rodents belong to the clade of Supraprimates)."

Having 8 out of 10 genes total seems a lot closer than having, say, 4400 different genes.

Small genome size, generally error-prone replication, and many, many more generations means considerable divergence between viruses in a short time.

The comparison to mammalian homology is probably overzealous but does serve to refute the the dumb claim that SARS-CoV-2 isn't a big deal because it's a 'bad cold.'

A lion is basically just a big mouse! Why are you running! Etc....

2600 bro wrote:

trashcan wrote:

Coronaviruses cause the common cold and sars and mers and Covid. Influenze causes your average 25000 deaths/year infections and also caused the Spanish Flu. Using a virus’s subfamily to predict its severity is, at best. utter folly.

SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2 are as genetically similar as humans and cows (~80%). SARS and MERS are more like humans and fruit flies (~65%).

But trust me LFH doesn't ever let evidence or rationality get in the way of expounding on dogma!

So it is not a corona virus? It doesn't cause mild cold type symptoms in 95%+ of the people who get it? Are you trying to claim sarscov2 is more like a cow than a cold virus? Usually when I eat a steak I get full and not the sniffles. Maybe you are getting full from covid? You are not really making a good point as covid is still just a cold that ends up being severe in a small subset of the population. I am sorry you had to pull out a straw man about genetic similarity, but it is still just a cold....a nasty one for some though, which is a real concern.

Lead Foil Hat IV wrote:

a nasty one for some though, which is a real concern.

Pack it up folks. We got him

Former Never Trumper wrote:

Piss me a river wrote:

I feel sorry for your mother.

Apparently, leftists do not understand what words like a dictator or Authoritarian mean. Which president is it might now that is ruling by executive order and trying to break down constitution checks and balances to give his party more and permanent power? All anyone on the left has to do is say we are defending the constitution and their entire base automatically loses the capacity to evaluate if what they are doing is legal or not. Don't get me wrong, Trump did a lot of stuff that was not good, but compared to Biden or Obama he did nowhere near the damage to the constitution and American system of government.

What a load.

CORRECT! COVID-19 was a NOVEL Coronavirus, and this particular one was NOT the common cold. People who say sh!t like that know absolutely nothing.

Just call me angel of the morning , angel.

swingsandmisses wrote:

Another false thread title started by a right winger. It's like they are allergic to the truth around here.

CORRECT! Republicans have fallen so far that there aren't just policy issue difference between Democrats and Republicans any more. Republicans are delusional, stupid, and batsh!t crazy.

jecht wrote:

I am fairly right wing but I tell as many as we can to get vaxxed. That's our way out of this.

NOPE! That is too reasonable. Being right wing has changed. You are NOT right wing if you believe getting vaccinated is our way out of the pandemic.

You have to believe Democrats are killing babies and drinking their blood, that Trump not only really won the election but that he's secretly running the country behind the scenes. Sorry, but your right wing membership has been revoked!

RyecorDone wrote:

You want normalcy, promote vaccinations. Simple.

The thread topic was solved in the first post.

First reply, I mean.

1. we do need to get vaccinated.

2. masks are simply pandemic cosplay. a cloth mask does nothing against a virus.. you might as well wear a hat that says I Hate Covid! all you are doing is signaling that you "care".

3. if you don't get vaccinated, and you get really sick.. well, that's on you now. it will be bad when antivaxxers prevent their children from getting it and they get ill, but hey... that's their choice.

4. fully reopen every thing.. bar, sports, etc.. IF those business CHOSE to limit seating or require masks, that's their choice.

5. that includes schools.. all teachers that want to be, are vaccinated. if schools want to require a vaccine in order to attend in person school, Im fine with that because they require other vaccines as well. just add this to the list.

CDC stats show that the death rate of those who have been vaccinated and get Covid is much higher than those who have not been vaccinated and get Covid.

Why aren't we hearing this?

What about the sales pitch that if you are vaccinated you might still get it but it will be very mild?

NotPC wrote:

1. we do need to get vaccinated.

2. masks are simply pandemic cosplay. a cloth mask does nothing against a virus.. you might as well wear a hat that says I Hate Covid! all you are doing is signaling that you "care".

3. if you don't get vaccinated, and you get really sick.. well, that's on you now. it will be bad when antivaxxers prevent their children from getting it and they get ill, but hey... that's their choice.

4. fully reopen every thing.. bar, sports, etc.. IF those business CHOSE to limit seating or require masks, that's their choice.

5. that includes schools.. all teachers that want to be, are vaccinated. if schools want to require a vaccine in order to attend in person school, Im fine with that because they require other vaccines as well. just add this to the list.

Everything I agree with aside from 2,3.

2) Good masks definitely stop big droplets that can carry lots of virus. But I suspect no evidence will convince you so who cares.

3) sounds great! but unfortunately we ask our medical establishment to treat everyone regardless of person choice - if we see a giant surge among those that refuse to vax... the doctors and nurses still have to deal with it. That's unfair to them.

What about a surge in all sorts of different sicknesses from those who get vaxxed?

Unfair to doctors and nurses?

If people want to herd immunity and normalcy - they should be pressuring their moron friends to get vaxxed ASAP.

2600 bro wrote:

If people want to herd immunity and normalcy - they should be pressuring their moron friends to get vaxxed ASAP.

If you're vaccinated (like I am), you are 100% protected against serious illness. What other people do or don't do should be of no concern to anyone.

A world in which 100% effective vaccines are free and widely available should not be a world in which anyone is forced to wear a mask. If you can't be bothered to protect yourself, I shouldn't be expected to do it for you.

Full-vaxxed / Anti-masked wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

If people want to herd immunity and normalcy - they should be pressuring their moron friends to get vaxxed ASAP.

If you're vaccinated (like I am), you are 100% protected against serious illness. What other people do or don't do should be of no concern to anyone.

A world in which 100% effective vaccines are free and widely available should not be a world in which anyone is forced to wear a mask. If you can't be bothered to protect yourself, I shouldn't be expected to do it for you.

Caseloads are low enough in the USA I would consider this. There are plenty of people who cannot get the vaccine due to health problems. There are also a handful of hospitalization events of fully vaccinated people -- it's not perfect.

I do agree we are basically good to go but only because cases have been falling so much. I am not a fan a plan that would open everything in a middle of a massive surge. Too much exposure for everyone.

Yes, again, if other people didn't have to care for the anti-vaxxed that inevitably get COVID if we go hog-wild, then it would be no problem.

People who are vaccinated are probably much less likely to get tested. That significantly changes your denominator. Also frail people got preferential vaccine access

As of April 20, 88 vaccinated people in total died of coronavirus. Over the vaccination period probably 200000 died. Someone can do an analysis of how many vaccinated people would be predicted to die if they didn’t work. My guess is that 30000 is a reasonable estimate. Again, 88 vaccinated people died of Covid as of April 20th. That looks like an amazing success