CDC: Herd immunity never gonna happen

Covidiocy wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Well, time for a little learnin'...

You fools who don't get vaccinated give the virus life, and with that the ability to mutate, which it will do. This mutating potentially puts all of us in danger, including those of us who have been vaccinated.

I am deeply saddened by the stupidity of the general public and by your moronic post.

Flag, you do realize that if we can’t vaccinate the entire world in an expedient manner, and we can’t, then there’s ultimately nothing we can do about “variants of concern.” They will arrive no matter what. Also, there is the possibility of an immune escape variant due to the vaccination and impossibility of 100% vaccination.

I posted and article yesterday. So far people who were naturally infected have antibody protection (and long-lived T cell memory). Also, we have monoclonal antibody therapy that can quell the variants better than these vaccines, which will be annual or semiannual. This therapy will be scalable eventually, especially if we went OWS on it.

If we get to 60% vaccination, along w naturally acquired immunity, we are then at herd immunity per the CDC and WHO’s initial guidelines. States like Texas might already be there as cases are dropping hugely. The biggest risk there is undocumented and infected aliens super spreading it at our southern border, which is the biggest mess it’s ever been, ever.

People who are elderly, obese, have high melanin skin content or have significant immune or cardiopulmonary morbidity or diabetes or high blood pressure would do well to get the vaccine. Everyone else who doesn’t want the vaccine would do well to exercise, intermittent fast, get plenty of vit D, zinc. &, perhaps, melatonin and to eat well.

This virus is like a mild flu for most, and we would already be through it if we would’ve let it burn. In fact, if Americans weren’t so friggin unhealthy, “on both sides,” we wouldn’t even be talking about this virus. Mortality and hospitalizations would’ve been far less. Nationalized healthcare would be a real possibility.

What I really want to know is if Biden has the balls to boycott the Chinese games and persuade other significant nations to do so as well. I’m guessing not.

Flagpole wrote:

Covidiocy wrote:

Flag, you do realize that if we can’t vaccinate the entire world in an expedient manner, and we can’t, then there’s ultimately nothing we can do about “variants of concern.” They will arrive no matter what. Also, there is the possibility of an immune escape variant due to the vaccination and impossibility of 100% vaccination.

I posted and article yesterday. So far people who were naturally infected have antibody protection (and long-lived T cell memory). Also, we have monoclonal antibody therapy that can quell the variants better than these vaccines, which will be annual or semiannual. This therapy will be scalable eventually, especially if we went OWS on it.

If we get to 60% vaccination, along w naturally acquired immunity, we are then at herd immunity per the CDC and WHO’s initial guidelines. States like Texas might already be there as cases are dropping hugely. The biggest risk there is undocumented and infected aliens super spreading it at our southern border, which is the biggest mess it’s ever been, ever.

People who are elderly, obese, have high melanin skin content or have significant immune or cardiopulmonary morbidity or diabetes or high blood pressure would do well to get the vaccine. Everyone else who doesn’t want the vaccine would do well to exercise, intermittent fast, get plenty of vit D, zinc. &, perhaps, melatonin and to eat well.

This virus is like a mild flu for most, and we would already be through it if we would’ve let it burn. In fact, if Americans weren’t so friggin unhealthy, “on both sides,” we wouldn’t even be talking about this virus. Mortality and hospitalizations would’ve been far less. Nationalized healthcare would be a real possibility.

What I really want to know is if Biden has the balls to boycott the Chinese games and persuade other significant nations to do so as well. I’m guessing not.

1) We CAN vaccinate ALL Americans though, and the more that are vaccinated, the less chance there is for MANY variants and ones that are close to home. Here, these morons actually have a chance to act on "America First", and they don't. I don't want any corner of the world to have issues with this virus, but the fact of the matter is that if a third-world country has a spike in infections, it is less likely to get here or any other big population industrialized country because they won't be traveling en masse. You don't throw your hands up and just accept defeat. The MFs in our country are playing with fire. Morons.

2) I don't accept "mild flu" in any context. That is minimizing this very serious virus.

3) I also don't accept that we would be through this if we would have "let it burn".

4) I ALSO don't accept your call that Americans are just too unhealthy. That's putting the blame on people for having health issues that they may or may not have any control over, and it is giving false power to those Americans who ARE healthy. LOTS of healthy people have died from COVID including a guy younger than me who went to my high school.

We have a vaccine (three available in the US) for this virus. This virus kills people. This virus maims many that it doesn't kill. This virus is linked to serious mental health issues for those who don't die from it. Utter stupidity for people to not get this vaccine. I accept no other view.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

1) We CAN vaccinate ALL Americans though, and the more that are vaccinated, the less chance there is for MANY variants and ones that are close to home. Here, these morons actually have a chance to act on "America First", and they don't. I don't want any corner of the world to have issues with this virus, but the fact of the matter is that if a third-world country has a spike in infections, it is less likely to get here or any other big population industrialized country because they won't be traveling en masse. You don't throw your hands up and just accept defeat. The MFs in our country are playing with fire. Morons.

2) I don't accept "mild flu" in any context. That is minimizing this very serious virus.

3) I also don't accept that we would be through this if we would have "let it burn".

4) I ALSO don't accept your call that Americans are just too unhealthy. That's putting the blame on people for having health issues that they may or may not have any control over, and it is giving false power to those Americans who ARE healthy. LOTS of healthy people have died from COVID including a guy younger than me who went to my high school.

We have a vaccine (three available in the US) for this virus. This virus kills people. This virus maims many that it doesn't kill. This virus is linked to serious mental health issues for those who don't die from it. Utter stupidity for people to not get this vaccine. I accept no other view.

The problem is that your non-acceptance of others opinions is still just YOUR opinions, so where does that leave us. You have to accept at least that almost all of the mitigation efforts were based mostly on assumption and opinion. People are tired of your opinion and evidence is pointing towards your opinion being futile, so why should people follow your opinion over others?

Flagpole wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

The problem is that your non-acceptance of others opinions is still just YOUR opinions, so where does that leave us. You have to accept at least that almost all of the mitigation efforts were based mostly on assumption and opinion. People are tired of your opinion and evidence is pointing towards your opinion being futile, so why should people follow your opinion over others?

INCORRECT! My opinions are based on facts. It is NOT factual to call COVID-19 a "mild flu" in any context. It is not factual to say we would have been through this if we had "let it burn" -- there is no evidence for that. Just because people are tired of my correct opinion doesn't make it true. People are tired of the virus and tired of doing things they should do to not get the virus, but that doesn't change any facts about the virus. The virus isn't tired.

Flagpole wrote:

Covidiocy wrote:

Flag, you do realize that if we can’t vaccinate the entire world in an expedient manner, and we can’t, then there’s ultimately nothing we can do about “variants of concern.” They will arrive no matter what. Also, there is the possibility of an immune escape variant due to the vaccination and impossibility of 100% vaccination.

I posted and article yesterday. So far people who were naturally infected have antibody protection (and long-lived T cell memory). Also, we have monoclonal antibody therapy that can quell the variants better than these vaccines, which will be annual or semiannual. This therapy will be scalable eventually, especially if we went OWS on it.

If we get to 60% vaccination, along w naturally acquired immunity, we are then at herd immunity per the CDC and WHO’s initial guidelines. States like Texas might already be there as cases are dropping hugely. The biggest risk there is undocumented and infected aliens super spreading it at our southern border, which is the biggest mess it’s ever been, ever.

People who are elderly, obese, have high melanin skin content or have significant immune or cardiopulmonary morbidity or diabetes or high blood pressure would do well to get the vaccine. Everyone else who doesn’t want the vaccine would do well to exercise, intermittent fast, get plenty of vit D, zinc. &, perhaps, melatonin and to eat well.

This virus is like a mild flu for most, and we would already be through it if we would’ve let it burn. In fact, if Americans weren’t so friggin unhealthy, “on both sides,” we wouldn’t even be talking about this virus. Mortality and hospitalizations would’ve been far less. Nationalized healthcare would be a real possibility.

What I really want to know is if Biden has the balls to boycott the Chinese games and persuade other significant nations to do so as well. I’m guessing not.

Utter stupidity for people to not get this vaccine. I accept no other view.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

INCORRECT! My opinions are based on facts. It is NOT factual to call COVID-19 a "mild flu" in any context. It is not factual to say we would have been through this if we had "let it burn" -- there is no evidence for that. Just because people are tired of my correct opinion doesn't make it true. People are tired of the virus and tired of doing things they should do to not get the virus, but that doesn't change any facts about the virus. The virus isn't tired.

You are still stating opinion and not facts, but ok. You are right that it is NOT a mild flu, but for 99% of those that get it it is just a mild cold ;) Corona viruses are the common cold, at least one of the sources. Yes, just a mild cold for most, which begs the questions why are we not more closely focused on better treating those with severe infection rather than mitigating the spread of a common cold virus? Finding effective treatments seems to be something that would make more sense than vaccinating the globe for a mild cold virus. That is my opinion, just like everything you have claimed as fact is just your mostly unsupported opinion.

trashcan wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

You are still stating opinion and not facts, but ok. You are right that it is NOT a mild flu, but for 99% of those that get it it is just a mild cold ;) Corona viruses are the common cold, at least one of the sources. Yes, just a mild cold for most, which begs the questions why are we not more closely focused on better treating those with severe infection rather than mitigating the spread of a common cold virus? Finding effective treatments seems to be something that would make more sense than vaccinating the globe for a mild cold virus. That is my opinion, just like everything you have claimed as fact is just your mostly unsupported opinion.

Coronaviruses cause the common cold and sars and mers and Covid. Influenze causes your average 25000 deaths/year infections and also caused the Spanish Flu. Using a virus’s subfamily to predict its severity is, at best. utter folly.