Finally catching up to what everyone with half a brain already realized a year ago: Covid is going to be around forever, getting less dangerous as more people are exposed and develop a level of immunity.
So...does this admission pave the wave for a quick return to mask-free normalcy, or does it cement in these pointless rules forever?
Come on, think it through. All we need is enough people vaccined or post-covid immune so that we don't overload hospitals or screw up businesses or schools with a covid outbreak. No big mystery, no big secret. You want normalcy, promote vaccinations. Simple.
Dude, two weeks to flatten the curve!
Science!
CDC never said that herd immunity isn't going to happen. A former CDC director was in the news saying that he worried that slowing vaccination rates might mean that herd immunity will be elusive.
There have been several other credible experts who have shared this opinion recently. I think it is a mistake in public health messaging to be publicly making these statements. It gives the anti-vaxxers ammunition and let's them say "see, there is no point in getting the vax because we will never reach herd immunity."
Polling has shown that about 25-30% say they will not get vaccinated. That number is probably higher than reality because a lot of people are going to have to get vaccinated for work and travel and given in to demands from family to get vaxxed in order to resume in person visits, etc. Real world data is currently showing that COVID 19 rates drop like a stone when vaccination rates hit 60%. That is probably the herd immunity threshold and it may be lower than expected due to very high efficacy. So, getting to 70-80% vaccinated may be what is necessary to get to practical elimination where, like measles, COVID is effectively gone except for the occasional outbreak in an anti-vaxxer community.
Precious Roy wrote:
CDC never said that herd immunity isn't going to happen. A former CDC director was in the news saying that he worried that slowing vaccination rates might mean that herd immunity will be elusive.
There have been several other credible experts who have shared this opinion recently. I think it is a mistake in public health messaging to be publicly making these statements. It gives the anti-vaxxers ammunition and let's them say "see, there is no point in getting the vax because we will never reach herd immunity."
Polling has shown that about 25-30% say they will not get vaccinated. That number is probably higher than reality because a lot of people are going to have to get vaccinated for work and travel and given in to demands from family to get vaxxed in order to resume in person visits, etc. Real world data is currently showing that COVID 19 rates drop like a stone when vaccination rates hit 60%. That is probably the herd immunity threshold and it may be lower than expected due to very high efficacy. So, getting to 70-80% vaccinated may be what is necessary to get to practical elimination where, like measles, COVID is effectively gone except for the occasional outbreak in an anti-vaxxer community.
+1
Mmmm. Cdc director. Yummy.
Right now those crazy amishes are getting decimated. Serves them right for not doing the right thing and getting the jab.
I don't get why people are always so concerned about their health. Just get jabbed man. Not like the government or companies are going to make shyt up. C'mon.
There's an element here that LOVES the pandemic and it's trappings. I don't care if everyone in the US was vaccinated with all 3 vaccines, they would still cling to this pandemic and the need for more government control, more regs, more shut downs... they aren't letting this thing go any time soon.
Precious Roy wrote:
CDC never said that herd immunity isn't going to happen. A former CDC director was in the news saying that he worried that slowing vaccination rates might mean that herd immunity will be elusive.
There have been several other credible experts who have shared this opinion recently. I think it is a mistake in public health messaging to be publicly making these statements. It gives the anti-vaxxers ammunition and let's them say "see, there is no point in getting the vax because we will never reach herd immunity."
Polling has shown that about 25-30% say they will not get vaccinated. That number is probably higher than reality because a lot of people are going to have to get vaccinated for work and travel and given in to demands from family to get vaxxed in order to resume in person visits, etc. Real world data is currently showing that COVID 19 rates drop like a stone when vaccination rates hit 60%. That is probably the herd immunity threshold and it may be lower than expected due to very high efficacy. So, getting to 70-80% vaccinated may be what is necessary to get to practical elimination where, like measles, COVID is effectively gone except for the occasional outbreak in an anti-vaxxer community.
Well-said. The below article is pretty good in summing up what the real-world dynamics are.
Key passage:
"Instead, they are coming to the conclusion that rather than making a long-promised exit, the virus will most likely become a manageable threat that will continue to circulate in the United States for years to come, still causing hospitalizations and deaths but in much smaller numbers."
-The "manageable" part of this is why the anti-vaxxers could really be problematic. But at the current levels, I don't think the very pessimistic view of everything is warranted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/03/health/covid-herd-immunity-vaccine.htmlPrecious Roy wrote:
CDC never said that herd immunity isn't going to happen. A former CDC director was in the news saying that he worried that slowing vaccination rates might mean that herd immunity will be elusive.
There have been several other credible experts who have shared this opinion recently. I think it is a mistake in public health messaging to be publicly making these statements. It gives the anti-vaxxers ammunition and let's them say "see, there is no point in getting the vax because we will never reach herd immunity."
Polling has shown that about 25-30% say they will not get vaccinated. That number is probably higher than reality because a lot of people are going to have to get vaccinated for work and travel and given in to demands from family to get vaxxed in order to resume in person visits, etc. Real world data is currently showing that COVID 19 rates drop like a stone when vaccination rates hit 60%. That is probably the herd immunity threshold and it may be lower than expected due to very high efficacy. So, getting to 70-80% vaccinated may be what is necessary to get to practical elimination where, like measles, COVID is effectively gone except for the occasional outbreak in an anti-vaxxer community.
Line up for your booster.....and your booster....and your booster....and your booster..............
"How long does protection from a COVID-19 vaccine last ?"
"We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are vaccinated."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.htmlPrecious Roy wrote:
Polling has shown that about 25-30% say they will not get vaccinated.
Stupidity is what holds our country down. Stupidity nearly allowed a dictator to rule this country (yes, Trump, you Trumper morons).
We could get to herd immunity levels for adults by the end of June if they would just flood all those COVID vaccine sites that are now pretty much deserted. Then for kids this summer easy. Just mandate them for school like the others they already have to take. Then we can work on getting the vaccines out to the rest of the world. Pretty weak to avoid vaccination because you're afraid of a shot or two. 591,000 dead and you're afraid of a shot.
No one loves the pandemic. We all want it done. It just so happens that with 101 million Americans fully vaccinated, and capacity of more than 3 million shots per day, with J and J available as well as Pfizer and Moderna, we could give close to 100 million shots per month now and get over 200 million fully vaccinated by the end of June. Then we could put this in the rear view mirror.
It will get there, a lot of those resistant to getting the vaccine are the group most likely to get COVID the old fashioned way. Take a look at South Dakota. They were showing signs of herd immunity prior to when vaccinations would have taken effect.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/south-dakota/
There is a natural path to herd immunity just as there is a vaccination path to herd immunity.
Both are effective. It will get there eventually.
"COVID" has become an all-encompassing bogeyman, and if left uncontested it will be used to justify all sorts of terrible things (unending lockdowns, mask-wearing forever, vaccine passports, etc)
joed|rt wrote:
It will get there, a lot of those resistant to getting the vaccine are the group most likely to get COVID the old fashioned way. Take a look at South Dakota. They were showing signs of herd immunity prior to when vaccinations would have taken effect.
There is a natural path to herd immunity just as there is a vaccination path to herd immunity.
Both are effective. It will get there eventually.
Correct. I wonder if there is any difference between the two paths.
I heard one of them might involve mass deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans. Dunno though.
truth hurts wrote:
"COVID" has become an all-encompassing bogeyman, and if left uncontested it will be used to justify all sorts of terrible things (unending lockdowns, mask-wearing forever, vaccine passports, etc)
Who benefits from these "terrible things"?
Again to wrote:
truth hurts wrote:
"COVID" has become an all-encompassing bogeyman, and if left uncontested it will be used to justify all sorts of terrible things (unending lockdowns, mask-wearing forever, vaccine passports, etc)
Who benefits from these "terrible things"?
people haven't had to pay rent for about 1 year due to covid. the landlords that depend on that income are being told to just eat the cost.
it is just a hair short of the government telling you that you must house X number of people in your home... for free.
if you protested and asked under what authority, they just say Covid! and leave you holding the bag.
Of course the government with their predictable, lure em in for as long as possible tactics is still clinging to their "two more weeks of lockdown" and "get your vaccines." Now additionally, you will need at least a dozen shots over a fee years because the vaccines don't really work but big pharma needs more money and this scheme needs to be drawn out as long as possible for the government to have their true motives fulfilled.
Flagpole wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
Polling has shown that about 25-30% say they will not get vaccinated.
Stupidity is what holds our country down. Stupidity nearly allowed a dictator to rule this country (yes, Trump, you Trumper morons).
What a pathetic excuse for a human you have become
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Matt Choi was drinking beer halfway through the Boston Marathon