What if your job requires all employees to be vaccinated?

This isn’t about an employee worried about getting covid, it’s about the employer worried about losing productivity through its employees getting covid.

This is a dumb argument. Plenty of occupations already require vaccination without such faux-moral posturing from trolls and anti-vaxxers.

For instance you must be vaccinated against flu (yearly), pertussis, and measles to be a child care worker, public or private, in California.

Unless you disagree with the existing laws you shouldn’t be so outraged against private employers requiring similar things.

Ok, but my occupation doesn’t already require any vaccinations.

You can’t compare two dissimilar industries or a business to a public school or one that is public facing.

Should we fire people and what date should they have to comply by?

I really am in a position to influence this.

Star wrote:

Ok, but my occupation doesn’t already require any vaccinations.

You can’t compare two dissimilar industries or a business to a public school or one that is public facing.

Should we fire people and what date should they have to comply by?

I really am in a position to influence this.

Makes sense to say anyone that wants to work onsite, indoors, in a dense environment has to be vaccinated. Photo of the vax card is sufficient. If they forge it... whatever... they obviously get fired if they get caught and fraud is going to be very rare.

People that don’t want to get vaccinated cannot work in person - barring medical exemption. Presumably you’ve survived thus far with WFH so they can just continue.

Or set some very high threshold like 95% of people in the office. If it’s a very public facing role then I’d lean toward just requiring vaccination.

Star wrote:

Ok, but my occupation doesn’t already require any vaccinations.

You can’t compare two dissimilar industries or a business to a public school or one that is public facing.

Should we fire people and what date should they have to comply by?

I really am in a position to influence this.

We dare you to implement this policy, democrat fairy. We’ll be sure to cough, sneeze and spit on you as we launch lawsuits.

Get your mask back on, democrat fairy.

So can I ban fat people from working at my business? They drive up health costs and promote unhealthy lifestyles.

BigYawn wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Makes sense to say anyone that wants to work onsite, indoors, in a dense environment has to be vaccinated. Photo of the vax card is sufficient. If they forge it... whatever... they obviously get fired if they get caught and fraud is going to be very rare.

People that don’t want to get vaccinated cannot work in person - barring medical exemption. Presumably you’ve survived thus far with WFH so they can just continue.

Or set some very high threshold like 95% of people in the office. If it’s a very public facing role then I’d lean toward just requiring vaccination.

So can I ban fat people from working at my business? They drive up health costs and promote unhealthy lifestyles.

I mean sure if it’s your business I think you should have rights to choose who you associate with (the law is a bit stricter though).

Your comparison is dumb though because being fat isn’t acutely contagious.

It’s not a dense environment. They are spread out. No one works close to another person.

There are manufacturers and shippers/receivers there that obviously cannot work from home.

I’d hope they all voluntarily get vaccinated so they can safely work without a mandate being forced on them.

That’s step one, to me.

Give a chance for people to get it done before waiving any threat over them.

I think that would be better for morale.

All of the vaccines (flu pertussis measles) you mention are far beyond the experimental phase. They are all attenuated or killed virus type vaccines, a technology that is literally centuries old (as in why the word vaccine is what it is). Requiring the flu vaccine is probably a recent thing, and that one is not all that useful. I am not saying useless, just the efficacy seems to be hard to assess, somewhere in the 10% to 50% range, and variable year by year. Measles is the most contagious disease we know. Significant bad consequences for kids at the rate of a few per thousand including blindness and death (higher rate of bad stuff if nutrition is bad). Also really bad consequences for adults. Since measles was an almost universal childhood experience, adult onset has historically been rare. Pertussis I just don't know as much about, except it is also highly contagious. The Supreme Court case on smallpox (mentioned in a different post) is inapposite. Smallpox is a real killer, approximately 30% mortality. Likely scarring for survivors. I don't know where the bright line is, but smallpox is over it. If an employer in general office work is requiring COVID vaccine, why do they not require measles vaccine? Why do they not require a peanut-free office? Can they also require your blood type on file and also a pint of your blood should a coworker require it? Can they require you to get a discrete tattoo of your medical information? It's all to promote the good of the community.

2600 bro wrote:

This is a dumb argument. Plenty of occupations already require vaccination without such faux-moral posturing from trolls and anti-vaxxers.

For instance you must be vaccinated against flu (yearly), pertussis, and measles to be a child care worker, public or private, in California.

Unless you disagree with the existing laws you shouldn’t be so outraged against private employers requiring similar things.

Why do you want to government to control how private businesses run their offices?

Obviously the employers should be able to choose.

If the question is SHOULD they? Sure that's a debate - I think given the ease of WFH for many offices... requiring a vaccine makes sense if they are going to transition back to in person soon.

Lastly pertussis is not an inactivated or attenuated virus vaccine. It's just subunits/toxins with adjuvant. I don't understand how people can prefer a random mix of bacterial toxins and adjuvants to simple mRNA but sure...

I don't want to work next to someone who refuses to get vaccinated. I started this pandemic feeling sympathy for them, but now it's my family's health on the line.

Comparison to other vaccines is irrelevant for 2 reasons.

It's not phase 3 tested and is still deemed EXPERIMENTAL.

All liability on the pharmaceutical companies are waived.

Bottom line is the Jab is proven safe by the same standards as other vaccines and anyone who decides not to get it yet has more than enough reason to refuse.

did you know wrote:

I don't want to work next to someone who refuses to get vaccinated. I started this pandemic feeling sympathy for them, but now it's my family's health on the line.

Then feel free to work from home. Your fear should not dictate how I live.

BigYawn wrote:

did you know wrote:

I don't want to work next to someone who refuses to get vaccinated. I started this pandemic feeling sympathy for them, but now it's my family's health on the line.

Then feel free to work from home. Your fear should not dictate how I live.

It is definitely more comforting to work to work next to someone who also has been vaccinated.

Maybe their fear of the shot should should not dictate how I work.

Star wrote:

BigYawn wrote:

Then feel free to work from home. Your fear should not dictate how I live.

It is definitely more comforting to work to work next to someone who also has been vaccinated.

Maybe their fear of the shot should should not dictate how I work.

I don't think so. Bizarre stuff seems to be happening to the people that have not received the injection who are in close proximity to the ones that did. Is this the reason why that private school in Florida had decided to ban "vaccinated" teachers to be on site in the same spaces as the students who never received the injection?

I'd be more comforted by not being in close proximity to the people that got their shots for the time being.

Requiring proof of vaccination is a good way to clear out some of the idiots - generally deadwood anyway.

The people in my office refusing the vac are not the pinnacles of health either - just fully mindwashed by 4 years of trump rage.

They would not be missed

"They would not be missed" - "Soylent Green is People"

Star wrote:

BigYawn wrote:

Then feel free to work from home. Your fear should not dictate how I live.

It is definitely more comforting to work to work next to someone who also has been vaccinated.

Maybe their fear of the shot should should not dictate how I work.

So the solution is let people do what they want.

People are so afraid of personal responsibility nowadays.

I find it uncomfortable working next to vaccinated people purely from knowing they will do whatever the government tells them to.