They don’t call it the American Easy for nothing
They don’t call it the American Easy for nothing
God of Wine wrote:
That's why they are America East.
When I raced D1, I always had two plans - 1) if I was not leading and the pace was solid, I raced.. 2) if the pace slipped beyond PR pace that I was capable of running that day, I took the lead.
I was a 10 x All-Conference. 2 x All-Region. Different mentality. 2 x Conference Champ. 4 x Conference Runner-Up.
We’ve got a badass over here!
Just chiming in to note that I posted before without watching the video. Now that I've seen it, I can't imagine how you'd rip on this race from a spectator perspective. One of the most enjoyable 10ks I've seen in years.
ooooh, burn, like your mom's uti
oldburgrunner wrote:
Yeah, it can work, but in my opinion, but the track race & the basketball game are boring tp watch!
to you they might be just like a 1-nil soccer game might be but too others like me it's all about the race and the tactics and can be more interesting than watching a world record being set
track on tv is wrote:
800 dude wrote:
Why is it any different than a basketball team trying to slow the game down instead of playing a full-court press?
This has always been part of the sport, and for my money, it actually makes it more exciting, not less. There's tension and suspense wondering when someone is going to make a move, there's the risk of falls, and it makes for wild racing in the later stages. I'm not saying I want to see it happen every time, of course. Variety makes the sport more interesting. Sometimes you get a very slow start. Sometimes you get someone tearing off in their own little breakaway. Sometimes you get the top 2-4 people in a pace line, holding on to their PR pace for dear life.
Seriously, I think everyone on this site has watched the Pre movies too many times. Runners don't go out slow because they're wimps; they go out slow because they want to win. Cycling fans embrace these tactics as part of the fabric of the sport, and they understand that no matter how it plays out, nobody is going to win without suffering.
Agree. Very well said.
You're right. I forgot about the billions of track cycling fans.
Yes, it's expected that sort of thing would be fairly typical in baby conferences. 👶
Sick brag. What conference were you?
Idk what the complaint is here. After watching it this race had it all. A hilarious first mile. Followed by the eventual last place runner jumping out to a 30 second gap. Instead of going with him the rest of the field visibly laughed at him. Then there was some great Team tactics between Stony Brook and UMass Lowell as they finished it off with a ripping last mile.
This was far cooler than some sub elites running 28:30 with a pacer.
America East is a pretty typical mid-major DI conference. The Power 5 is the Power 5, but let's not make believe that there aren't some really lackluster distance teams in some Power 5 conferences even if each conference has elite distance talent overall. I was not only a baby-conference guy, I was, as a DIII runner (at now-America East powerhouse Albany), also ran baby nats. Still, I would have been a scoring member on plenty of DI teams, including some teams in Power 5 conferences.
God of Wine wrote:
That's why they are America East.
When I raced D1, I always had two plans - 1) if I was not leading and the pace was solid, I raced.. 2) if the pace slipped beyond PR pace that I was capable of running that day, I took the lead.
I was a 10 x All-Conference. 2 x All-Region. Different mentality. 2 x Conference Champ. 4 x Conference Runner-Up.
Willing to bet a couple of those guys will be in Eugene and can add 1x National Track Qualifier to their list. The only semi-impressive thing you’ve done is All-Region and what doesn’t that even mean. Isn’t that a cross thing? If you’re that good in your conference and never even made a regional meet your conference must be doggy doodoo. Guess those America East guys have a different mentality, Succeed on a national level. What a joke you are.
Smoove wrote: let's not make believe that there aren't some really lackluster distance teams in some Power 5 conferences even if each conference has elite distance talent overallStrawman, bro. I don't care about and didn't bring up non-contenders. But thanks for the cool story!
GentleBen wrote:
800 dude wrote:
Why is it any different than a basketball team trying to slow the game down instead of playing a full-court press?
This has always been part of the sport, and for my money, it actually makes it more exciting, not less. There's tension and suspense wondering when someone is going to make a move, there's the risk of falls, and it makes for wild racing in the later stages. I'm not saying I want to see it happen every time, of course. Variety makes the sport more interesting. Sometimes you get a very slow start. Sometimes you get someone tearing off in their own little breakaway. Sometimes you get the top 2-4 people in a pace line, holding on to their PR pace for dear life.
Seriously, I think everyone on this site has watched the Pre movies too many times. Runners don't go out slow because they're wimps; they go out slow because they want to win. Cycling fans embrace these tactics as part of the fabric of the sport, and they understand that no matter how it plays out, nobody is going to win without suffering.
So, then why time the event at all. Just have them run at whatever pace and then note placings at the end. If it takes 40 min, so what, right? It is all about strategy, so no overall time, since running 32:00 min for a guy is pretty embarrassing, unless there was a snow storm or hail....
So if you were in this 10 you would have blown out that mile in 5:00 all by yourself just to prove a point, then get your a ss walked down like a little bee otch the last mile?
cobba wrote:
They don’t call it the American Easy for nothing
I thought it was America Least.
My tempo pace is 6 minutes. How was that 6 minute pace? It looked like 8 minutes. But that was awesome to watch.
God of Wine wrote:
That's why they are America East.
When I raced D1, I always had two plans - 1) if I was not leading and the pace was solid, I raced.. 2) if the pace slipped beyond PR pace that I was capable of running that day, I took the lead.
I was a 10 x All-Conference. 2 x All-Region. Different mentality. 2 x Conference Champ. 4 x Conference Runner-Up.
Cool. The winner is a 29:14, 13:59 guy. The runner up is a 29:06 guy who has qualified for NCAA cross twice. If either of them took on the wind early and tried to run PR pace they would have gotten out-kicked by the other and may well have finished lower than second. They both have regional qualifiers in the 10k already (and, for the record, similar if not better accolades than those listed). Sounds like the two plans worked well for you, but hard to imagine anyone in the field winning this race by blindly following one of those two plans.
BOHICA wrote:
cobba wrote:
They don’t call it the American Easy for nothing
I thought it was America Least.
Except winner of the race has a 13:59 5k PR.
BOHICA wrote:
cobba wrote:
They don’t call it the American Easy for nothing
I thought it was America Least.
One of the best non-power five conference with respect to distance. Consistently sends people to nationals on the men’s and women’s side. What else do you want from a conference primarily located in the northeast with a bunch of state schools. Other conferences need to step up. They’re pretty pathetic.
track on tv is wrote:
800 dude wrote:
Why is it any different than a basketball team trying to slow the game down instead of playing a full-court press?
This has always been part of the sport, and for my money, it actually makes it more exciting, not less. There's tension and suspense wondering when someone is going to make a move, there's the risk of falls, and it makes for wild racing in the later stages. I'm not saying I want to see it happen every time, of course. Variety makes the sport more interesting. Sometimes you get a very slow start. Sometimes you get someone tearing off in their own little breakaway. Sometimes you get the top 2-4 people in a pace line, holding on to their PR pace for dear life.
Seriously, I think everyone on this site has watched the Pre movies too many times. Runners don't go out slow because they're wimps; they go out slow because they want to win. Cycling fans embrace these tactics as part of the fabric of the sport, and they understand that no matter how it plays out, nobody is going to win without suffering.
Agree. Very well said.
Seconded
The people complaining about slow/tactical championship races, are the same a-holes that try and make it a "fast" pace & "run their own race" and get chewed up in the end. The top two guys in the race are ranked 18th and 22nd in the east region... what would they prove by running a 29:50 10k into the wind when they have to double back in the 5k the next day. I'm glad all the Prefontaine "suicide pace" slow-pokes think they've got big balls... but ultimately they're likely envious of the fact that they could never compete at this level, and if they were ever at a level higher than those two then I hope they'd understand that their focus might be on making nationals in a few weeks and not killing themselves in a conference 10k... Its championship racing, cry somewhere else.
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