Athing Mu with a 49.867 split today

More like 1:51 - 1:52. Semenya definetely was holding back in the 800m. Also I would say one needs either 50 / 4:05 or 52 / 4:00 to run 1:55.

xx..... wrote:

But you DO NOT have to run 49 / 4:00 to run 1:55. If she ran a 4:00 and 49.0r she ran run 1:52-:53 consistently.

Ajee is probably 52 / 4:05 ish and ran 1:55.

think first wrote:

More like 1:51 - 1:52. Semenya definetely was holding back in the 800m.

Also I would say one needs either 50 / 4:05 or 52 / 4:00 to run 1:55.

xx..... wrote:

But you DO NOT have to run 49 / 4:00 to run 1:55. If she ran a 4:00 and 49.0r she ran run 1:52-:53 consistently.

Ajee is probably 52 / 4:05 ish and ran 1:55.

Ajee's pr is listed at 53.63 and 4:05.18, although she's probably a little faster at 400. At the other end Jearl Miles Clark was 49.4 and moved up from the 400.

Mu clearly has enough speed to run 1:53 but developing her endurance will be the most critical piece. If she can get down to around 4:05 she will be almost unbeatable.

lkjhg wrote:

Mu clearly has enough speed to run 1:53 but developing her endurance will be the most critical piece. If she can get down to around 4:05 she will be almost unbeatable.

Which I have been saying multiple time already.

Some people here say that she could only that if she doped...

FAT times can only be done with a finish photo, which of course cannot be done with split times, therefor relay splits cannot be determined with any degree of accuracy.

Olizarenko was 50.96 - 1.53.43 - 3.59.48

The splits were taken using the finish line phote. The camera captures the pictures of the athletes as they cross the finish line and then they time the splits just like they time the finish of a race. This isn't old school splits from back in the day where someone timed it with a watch. The clock is started by the gun and then the times are recorded when the athlete crosses the finish line.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Armstrong1ivs wrote:

Mu will be the clean record holder by 2022.

No, she won't. That record is set in stone - except to a massively doped athlete.

Don't underestimate the power of identifying as female.

Only 7 of the top 20 AT have times across all 3 distances and their total points rank like this:

Semenya 3694

Olizarenko 3660

Mutola 3594

Quirot 3588

Gurina 3580

Ceplak 3474

Wilson 3470

Mu has reached 3410 so far.

It's a nice premise, but doesn't quite pan out, as most of these athletes ran these distances in separate seasons, sometimes even years apart.

The Scot wrote:

Only 7 of the top 20 AT have times across all 3 distances and their total points rank like this:

Semenya 3694

Olizarenko 3660

Mutola 3594

Quirot 3588

Gurina 3580

Ceplak 3474

Wilson 3470

Mu has reached 3410 so far.

Armstronglivs wrote:

It is good but it isn't faster than her best 400 out of the blocks - 50.5. However, it is possible she could run below 50 at some stage - which is very fast for an 800 runner. But endurance still remains the key for the longer event.

Wait a second... endurance is the key to running to 800?? That's a shocking revelation!! LOL

Speed is arguably more important no amount of endurance turns a 50 sec 400m guy into a n elite 800m runner

Set in the stones wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

No, she won't. That record is set in stone - except to a massively doped athlete.

Don't underestimate the power of identifying as female.

Not with rules requiring t-suppression.

shocked I tell you wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

It is good but it isn't faster than her best 400 out of the blocks - 50.5. However, it is possible she could run below 50 at some stage - which is very fast for an 800 runner. But endurance still remains the key for the longer event.

Wait a second... endurance is the key to running to 800?? That's a shocking revelation!! LOL

It is, if the assumption is that 49sec for 400 is enough to turn an athlete into a world beating 800m runner, as some apparently believe.

think first wrote:

lkjhg wrote:

Mu clearly has enough speed to run 1:53 but developing her endurance will be the most critical piece. If she can get down to around 4:05 she will be almost unbeatable.

Which I have been saying multiple time already.

Some people here say that she could only that if she doped...

No, they haven't. The doping issue has only arisen when it has been claimed she will run 1.53 for the 800, not 4.05 for the 1500.

lkjhg wrote:

think first wrote:

More like 1:51 - 1:52. Semenya definetely was holding back in the 800m.

Also I would say one needs either 50 / 4:05 or 52 / 4:00 to run 1:55.

Ajee's pr is listed at 53.63 and 4:05.18, although she's probably a little faster at 400. At the other end Jearl Miles Clark was 49.4 and moved up from the 400.

Mu clearly has enough speed to run 1:53 but developing her endurance will be the most critical piece. If she can get down to around 4:05 she will be almost unbeatable.

That's highly likely. But an unbeatable 800 runner may be in the region of 1.55 - like Semenya. 1.53 however is only possible under an E Bloc doping regime.

xx..... wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

In the women's 800 endurance is crucial. There are quite a few 49 sec 400m runners; none of them are successful over the longer distance. Jarmila, with her 47x, was a stand out (a bit like Juantorena in the men's event). Mu's 1500 time means squat. She won't show md endurance until she closes on 4-flat, like Semenya could.

I generally like your takes but this is just wrong. I’m not sure what you ran or runners you have been around.

But you DO NOT have to run 49 / 4:00 to run 1:55. If she ran a 4:00 and 49.0r she ran run 1:52-:53 consistently.

Ajee is probably 52 / 4:05 ish and ran 1:55.

I am saying something different from what you appear to think. I agree that endurance is more important than outright speed - as you show with the Ajee Wilson example. It is less important to 800m success that Mu is superfast over the 400 than that she has adequate endurance. That would be if she could run say 4 to 4.05 for the 1500. This may be shown by the way Dibaba won the 1500 at Rio, when she covered the last 800 in 1.57-8.

Armstronglivs wrote:

xx..... wrote:

I generally like your takes but this is just wrong. I’m not sure what you ran or runners you have been around.

But you DO NOT have to run 49 / 4:00 to run 1:55. If she ran a 4:00 and 49.0r she ran run 1:52-:53 consistently.

Ajee is probably 52 / 4:05 ish and ran 1:55.

I am saying something different from what you appear to think. I agree that endurance is more important than outright speed - as you show with the Ajee Wilson example. It is less important to 800m success that Mu is superfast over the 400 than that she has adequate endurance. That would be if she could run say 4 to 4.05 for the 1500. This may be shown by the way Dibaba won the 1500 at Rio, when she covered the last 800 in 1.57-8.

What...I know a guy who ran 1:51 without breaking 4:10 and 16 for 5k, but his 400m PB was 47-high.

Armstronglivs wrote:

It is, if the assumption is that 49sec for 400 is enough to turn an athlete into a world beating 800m runner, as some apparently believe.

No you numbskull, it's the fact that she's already a world beating 800m runner that leads people to believe she will turn into a world beating 800 m runner. And this whole " but if she does runs faster than x she is doped" nonesense only proves how little faith you have in your own arguments and is a veiled premeditated accusation. Your obsessed, and kind of an A hole.

George213 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I am saying something different from what you appear to think. I agree that endurance is more important than outright speed - as you show with the Ajee Wilson example. It is less important to 800m success that Mu is superfast over the 400 than that she has adequate endurance. That would be if she could run say 4 to 4.05 for the 1500. This may be shown by the way Dibaba won the 1500 at Rio, when she covered the last 800 in 1.57-8.

What...I know a guy who ran 1:51 without breaking 4:10 and 16 for 5k, but his 400m PB was 47-high.

It has escaped your attention but this thread is about Mu and women runners.