First sub 4 in Utah since Doug Padilla

Here's a video of the old stadium record. 1975 NCAA Eamon Coghlan

https://youtu.be/_saIJmQLP2Q

Casey Clinger ran 3:59.02 and Lucas Bons ran 3:59.28 becoming the second and third men to run under 4 minutes in the state of Utah.

malmo wrote:

Here's a video of the old stadium record. 1975 NCAA Eamon Coghlan

https://youtu.be/_saIJmQLP2Q

Wow Shilling was quite a Hoss. Whatever happened with his career?

Also would you happen to know the venue for Padilla's record? TIA

Padilla ran it in the same stadium at BYU. 4628' elevation.

iainhunter wrote:

Padilla ran it in the same stadium at BYU. 4628' elevation.

Thanks. Malmo's wording indicated that Coghlan still had the stadium record until today.

So the NCAA meet held in Provo, Utah in 1975 was on the track that was located inside Cougar Stadium, later renamed Lavell Edwards Stadium, which is where the football team also played. That is the track where Eamonn Coghlan set the stadium record of 4:00.06, narrowly missing becoming the first sub 4 minute miler in Utah. In 1981 Cougar Stadium was remodeled and the track facility was moved one block south to it's present location. It was at this track, the Clarence F. Robison Track and Field Complex, in 1983 that Doug Padilla ran 3:57.83 to become the first sub 4 miler in Utah history. Casey Clinger and Lucas Bons became #2 and #3 today with their times of 3:59.02 and 3:59.28.

Race Video:

https://youtu.be/IqDxfWDIcqA?t=12369

That's incredible!

I'm surprised Clinger was able to take down an all American 1500 specialist.

I'm even more surprised Troutner was that close too. 4:01. Making progress after his mission. He's got a bright future.

Altitude adjustment for Provo is 4.9 seconds... those times are moving.

runnER/DR wrote:

That's incredible!

I'm surprised Clinger was able to take down an all American 1500 specialist.

I'm even more surprised Troutner was that close too. 4:01. Making progress after his mission. He's got a bright future.

Altitude adjustment for Provo is 4.9 seconds... those times are moving.

Does the altitude adjustment work both ways? Meaning, since the BYU guys are acclimated to Provo, should we expect they will run 4-5 seconds faster at sea level? I don't see their top 3 guys as 3:54-3:56. My gut says the benefit for them going down in elevation is less than the penalty for a sea level guy going up in elevation. Has this been addressed anywhere before?

A great run today by the two BYU runners Clinger and Bons to dip under 4 minutes in the mile and running the second and third fastest times ever in Utah. Only Doug's 3:57 is faster.

On another note, Doug was present at the track meet and if you look at the video he congratulates Clinger and Bons at the 3:33:16-3:33:23 mark in the video. He's 64 now but still looks like he could get out there and do it again.

Elevation_Question wrote:

runnER/DR wrote:

That's incredible!

I'm surprised Clinger was able to take down an all American 1500 specialist.

I'm even more surprised Troutner was that close too. 4:01. Making progress after his mission. He's got a bright future.

Altitude adjustment for Provo is 4.9 seconds... those times are moving.

Does the altitude adjustment work both ways? Meaning, since the BYU guys are acclimated to Provo, should we expect they will run 4-5 seconds faster at sea level? I don't see their top 3 guys as 3:54-3:56. My gut says the benefit for them going down in elevation is less than the penalty for a sea level guy going up in elevation. Has this been addressed anywhere before?

Bons is 3:55 indoors which supports the conversion pretty well.

Two under 4 minutes today wrote:

A great run today by the two BYU runners Clinger and Bons to dip under 4 minutes in the mile and running the second and third fastest times ever in Utah. Only Doug's 3:57 is faster.

On another note, Doug was present at the track meet and if you look at the video he congratulates Clinger and Bons at the 3:33:16-3:33:23 mark in the video. He's 64 now but still looks like he could get out there and do it again.

Thanks for pointing that out. Doug looks like a fit 45-50!

Brink of Greatness wrote:

Bons is 3:55 indoors which supports the conversion pretty well.

so when Keino ran 3:34.9 in Mexico City he was ready for say 3:28 at sea level?

I have a hard time seeing Troutner running 3:56 at sea level. But maybe I underestimate him.

Elevation_Question wrote:

runnER/DR wrote:

That's incredible!

I'm surprised Clinger was able to take down an all American 1500 specialist.

I'm even more surprised Troutner was that close too. 4:01. Making progress after his mission. He's got a bright future.

Altitude adjustment for Provo is 4.9 seconds... those times are moving.

Does the altitude adjustment work both ways? Meaning, since the BYU guys are acclimated to Provo, should we expect they will run 4-5 seconds faster at sea level? I don't see their top 3 guys as 3:54-3:56. My gut says the benefit for them going down in elevation is less than the penalty for a sea level guy going up in elevation. Has this been addressed anywhere before?

I’ve got to think the data for altitude conversions is heavily biased towards moving down. While there are plenty of data points for runners changing in either direction , I would assume most of the data will come from runners moving down. Colorado and Utah runners will go to California for races a lot more than the other way around.

It’d be great to hear from the people who have actually run the stats.

FastTuohy wrote:

Brink of Greatness wrote:

Bons is 3:55 indoors which supports the conversion pretty well.

so when Keino ran 3:34.9 in Mexico City he was ready for say 3:28 at sea level?

I have a hard time seeing Troutner running 3:56 at sea level. But maybe I underestimate him.

Keino was a strange animal. That performance was his lifetime best, but he was well-known as a sandbagger who would jog it in if he thought he couldn't win, didn't care about records or times. This was before pacers were a normal thing, it is possible that Jipcho in this race was his only pacer of his career.

There is a damn good reason why states like UT and CO have tons of good runners but very few sub-4:00s.

Would liked to have seen what Mantz could have done if he would have finished. Awesome race by Clinger, Bons, and Troutner!

[quote]malmo wrote:

Here's a video of the old stadium record. 1975 NCAA Eamon Coghlan

https://youtu.be/_saIJmQLP2Q[/quote

Thanks for the video Malmo. I loved watching the 1/2 mile. I grew up reading about Enyeart on the walls of the McDonalds in Logan.

I should clarify, the walls of that McDonalds were a shrine to Utah State athletics and being the late 70s and early 80s, Mark had a prominent place in the display