TUOHY VS HUTCHINS VS THORVALDSON All Star match up! Who you got???

Lol...interesting premise...

If Tuohy continues to get back to form after her injury, I simply would not bet against her at any distance from 1500 - 5k , and of course CC. 10k have no idea as I have not seen any of them run that distance. She is already running very competitive times at multiple distances on limited training...if she continues, she could make things extremely difficult for the rest of the runners next year.

Thorvaldson is one of those runners who looks like she could keep progressing exponentially...her running stride is so strong and efficient. Since last year I have thought she may have the most long term upside.

Hutchins obviously has huge talent as well, and is in elite company already.

This years outdoor season will be interesting, but next years CC and track seasons should be incredible to see. Hopefully we will also have Starliper, Dudek, Walters, Hart etc all healthy as well. That should make for some great races!!

what ankle injury would take almost a year to heal? what more just a "tweaked" ankle ??

shes actually already healthy long ago but not running competitively, shes already been running with the team during acc last year but did not compete

*their not there, but okay

top runner? thats a joke right? steelman, henes, shaw, chmiel and tuohy and more runners in the team would easily beat her at all distances

also we are talking about now and 2 years later, so save your comment when starliper actually starts competing in college

saying "she would be there (their) top runner!" just tells how ignorant you are about nc state's runners and the times the other girls are running right now

To say that Tuohy avoided her is so exaggerated, lol .. just because Starliper beat Katelyn once on her bad day doesn't mean she's already the better runner.

Also, everyone.. pls stop taking about the past! it's 2021 now and both have come from injuries, obviously they are both getting back in shape ..so lets start on the times they ran post-injury ?? OK?

So far, Katelyn has been the one putting up impressive times despite only racing a few times, shes run times better than healthy peers Ewert, Hart, Connelly, Covert and healthy NCAA runners that are older than her.

this season and in 2 years wrote:

Okay, say these 3 phenoms raced this season at every distance on the track from the 800 up to 10K, who do you got at each distance? What about 2 years from now when they are all in college? Feel free to throw in Cross Country pics as well!

pls crush-out the 800m .. no one from the HS phenoms would beat athing mu at 800

FastTuohy wrote:

7empest wrote:

For your information Starliper is not healthy, if she was she would be there top runner!

Hart ran a 437 or 438 anchor on their DMR in March. Dudek was running very well in XC until she got hurt. Starliper was apparently not healthy or fit enough to run any event Indoors. Probably going even slower with her and her stress reaction than they did with Tuohy and the knee injury recovery.

Starliper's injury was an ankle and she did not undergo surgery for it, looked like it healed already but i don't know why she's not running competitively, maybe she decided to redshirt her entire freshman season, to what reasons, no one knows ...

katelyn has been putting in the work and it shows, she will only get better and better if she continuous to be healthy .. it's kelsey that runs 10k, katelyn does not run 10ks

look at this, hope she continues to stay fit and we are off to good match ups in the upcoming seasons

I don’t disagree with this. I’m a big Thorvaldsen fan, you may be right. I think the key for her is to get her Mile time lower. She races to much at the higher distances. If she gets better at lower distances she will get so much better at the higher distances she likes to race.

I assume he is predicting that these will be the top runners 2 years from now. Why have threads comparing Hocker to Jakob or Mu to the best in the world when they are both in college? It is no different to compare a high school runner to an NCAA runner.

sheeesh wrote:

FastTuohy wrote:

Hart ran a 437 or 438 anchor on their DMR in March. Dudek was running very well in XC until she got hurt. Starliper was apparently not healthy or fit enough to run any event Indoors. Probably going even slower with her and her stress reaction than they did with Tuohy and the knee injury recovery.

Starliper's injury was an ankle and she did not undergo surgery for it, looked like it healed already but i don't know why she's not running competitively, maybe she decided to redshirt her entire freshman season, to what reasons, no one knows ...

So the information in this article is false?

"She didn’t race the ACC Championships in late October as she is recovering from a stress reaction, but she has big goals for her time as a collegian. “There’s definitely a lot of team goals there. Whatever’s going on with the NCAA, at least at some point, I would love to win a team title in cross country. We all really want to get a national title in the distance medley also."

ChangeMyMind wrote:

Tuohy is different age. Why include her?

Based on reviewing the 2019 and 2020 track rosters for the distance and MD and comparing them to current women’s rosters, I predict there is an 85% Hutchins will not be running in 2 years and a 100% (7 out of 7) chance Thorvaldson will be running and will be faster than she was in HS.

Hutchins is going to be running for probably the best coach in the country in Diljeet Taylor. I would say that there is close to zero percent chance that she isn't running in two years.

FastTuohy wrote:

sheeesh wrote:

Starliper's injury was an ankle and she did not undergo surgery for it, looked like it healed already but i don't know why she's not running competitively, maybe she decided to redshirt her entire freshman season, to what reasons, no one knows ...

So the information in this article is false?

"She didn’t race the ACC Championships in late October as she is recovering from a stress reaction, but she has big goals for her time as a collegian. “There’s definitely a lot of team goals there. Whatever’s going on with the NCAA, at least at some point, I would love to win a team title in cross country. We all really want to get a national title in the distance medley also."

https://trackandfieldnews.com/article/prize-recruit-marlee-starliper-nc-state/

its not false, she "was" not "is" i believe, lets use our common senses and think what stress reaction would take almost a year to recover without even racing for once? and its not like she has raced many times or burned out in her senior year to have serious injury, many meets were cancelled and she was already taking breaks here and there just like tuohy

marlee starliper most probably redshirted her freshman year

Guys as far as I know you cannot Red shirt this year. Because it is a redshirt year for everyone!

This year doesn't count against anyone's eligibility. And if you take this year off. It's no different than if you had run

Unless I'm missing something I don't think that theory is right.

Anyway Hannah Steelman and hennes are probably closing in on 4:30 for the mile, 855 for the 3K, and 1530 for the 5K. You'd have to be pretty fast to be their top distance Runner

Next group of runners pushing 435, 905, 1540...

I think Arkansas should redshirt Syd her freshman year. Once you're on the stress reaction/fracture train (soph and now senior yr) the only way off is to give your body time to grow without the stress of high mileage and elite level competition.

I think NC State is doing right by Starliper.

You are correct regarding XC and indoor.

So your point is the "minor" ankle injury from last Spring is what has kept her out this long, and not the stress reaction? Or that she is no longer injured, but for whatever reason while healthy and fit did not run an Indoor meet? And is not running Outdoors thus far? I am not buying that.

"Following some time off after indoors, she went running with her mom, Jill, and their dog on a rough trail and ended up tweaking her leg near the ankle. Since then, she’s taken time off from running to heal the minor injury, focused on her health, reconnected with her passions, played the guitar, and used this unthinkable period of time to reset."

The ankle injury happened on a break after NBN indoor was canceled. Later while getting back to training the stress reaction happened. She was on pace to return for CC Nationals but came back a little to quickly and aggravated her stress reaction in a workout 6 weeks out from NCAA Nationals. After taking some time off again it was decided by her coaches that they were not going to chance reinjury, but to come back slow and with a very slow buildup and not try and run Outdoor.

We will see a healthy Starliper this fall as NC State goes for their first National title in CC! BYU was lucky that Starliper and Dominique were not healthy for Nationals or everyone would be going crazy about NC State and how Henes is the best coach in the NCAA on the message boards. If both teams are at full strength and healthy NC State will win in the fall.

2021

1 Stanford

2 NC State

3 BYU

2022

1 BYU

2 Stanford

3 NC State

This sounds much more plausible. And I agree under that scenario NC State would have scored 60-70 points, with Tuohy being their 5th runner in. Of course, BYU lost 15 or so points due to Orton's injury and Stanford had the Dudek injury plus whatever affected Jessica Lawson the whole season (and thus far Outdoors). As far as this Fall goes, if all teams are injury free BYU, Arkansas, Stanford and NC State could all be very strong. And if Alabama can find 2 more runners.....

Lots of ifs, buts and maybes....dudek, touhy, starliper all injured, they could be damaged goods the rest of the way and never live up tot he steep expectations from their outstanding HS careers..starliper is a major concern with the repeat injuries, yikes