Chicago is a f'ing hole wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Question: with the shootings undertaken by police are they building safer communities?
Yes. Virtually every shooting is of a violent criminal whose death made life for the living safer. Somebody who was going to be killed, raped, robbed, or beaten up next week will now not be attacked. It is extremely rare when an officer shoots an innocent person.
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Chicago is a f'ing hole wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Question: with the shootings undertaken by police are they building safer communities?
Yes. Virtually every shooting is of a violent criminal whose death made life for the living safer. Somebody who was going to be killed, raped, robbed, or beaten up next week will now not be attacked. It is extremely rare when an officer shoots an innocent person.
And we rely on the police to decide who is innocent, not the courts.
Not all areas are the same wrote:
Chicago is a f'ing hole wrote:
Yes. Virtually every shooting is of a violent criminal whose death made life for the living safer. Somebody who was going to be killed, raped, robbed, or beaten up next week will now not be attacked. It is extremely rare when an officer shoots an innocent person.
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Don't be so sparing with your zeros. I'm sure you could have used more.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Not all areas are the same wrote:
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Don't be so sparing with your zeros. I'm sure you could have used more.
The 13 year old had a gun, and was yelled at to stop and he kept running with a gun. If he would have turned and shot the cop would you be okay with that? WHY not comply with the commands of the cop and then let the courts decide? If you want the livelihood of civilians to be decided by someone other than the cops you need to start pushing for compliance instead of blaming the police, it should be that simple for anyone with an IQ above zero!
Chicago is a f'ing hole wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Question: with the shootings undertaken by police are they building safer communities?
Yes. Virtually every shooting is of a violent criminal whose death made life for the living safer. Somebody who was going to be killed, raped, robbed, or beaten up next week will now not be attacked. It is extremely rare when an officer shoots an innocent person.
Who causes more future damage, the criminal that gets shot or exposed to questionable use of force and dies , or the masses that retaliate against society for them getting shot or abused by the cops?
The is a good question!
There has been way too much rioting and looting for people that were not cooperating with the police and that needs to stop. The Police Reform that is needed is greater compliance laws.
Honest question person wrote:
hjvjvhjvjvjv wrote:
Completely agree. I'm an officer in a major urban area with a high murder rate, lots of illegal guns, lots of gun violence, etc. I've had numerous gun/shots fired calls, had murder, rape, stabbing, mental health crisis, overdose, assault, domestic assault, sexual assault calls, etc, etc.
The majority of the commenters on this site don't even have a basic understanding of the laws and/or case laws that govern situations like this (Read: Tennessee vs Garner). It's also obvious that the majority of the commenters on this site also have no idea what the streets are really like outside of middle/upper-class neighborhoods and areas. The number of mentally ill subjects whom we deal with on a daily basis in poor/urban areas is overwhelming. Also, a person having a bad trip on PCP or K2 is a sight to behold and horrifying to face (imagine a zombie with super-human strength and who feels no pain. I'm not judging the people who live in a sheltered surrounding either, but sometimes people need a reality check or some real life experience in order to see what the world is really like outside of the small bubble they live in.
I'll suggest it again, everyone at some point should request to take a ride along with a patrol officer in the area in which they live. Preferably in an urban area on evening or midnight shift, and preferably on a Friday or Saturday night. You may get a slow night and not see anything, but you may also see some eye-opening stuff.
I have no idea what it's like to be a police officer, so what is your opinion in the George Floyd case? Did the officers follow procedure? Excessive? You mention folks being on PCP and having super human strength which is why I ask. Thanks.
The department I work for would 100% not allow for the pinning of a suspect by the neck, using a knee, a choke hold, or anything else for that matter. That is an old, out of date, and dangerous tactic. Apparently, Minneapolis PD allows for the use of that tactic by specifically trained officers within the department. That said, Chauvin should have removed his knee the instant that Mr. Floyd stopped resisting.
My take is that Chauvin let his ego get the best of him and that in his horribly misguided effort at impressing his authority over his trainee and the other officers on-scene, he kept his knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck/upper back.
As soon as a suspect is in police custody (example: handcuffed), the well-being of the suspect is in the hands of the police. Regardless of what training Chauvin had received/was certified for, as soon as Mr. Floyd stopped resisting he should have ended the restraint. Furthermore, the officers on scene should have immediately moved Mr. Floyd into the recovery position the second he stopped responding.
I’m not a doctor or a medical examiner but it clearly appears that Chauvin was at least a contributing factor in the death of Mr. Floyd, and he should be held responsible for that based upon the investigation and the trial.
hjvjvhjvjvjv wrote:
Honest question person wrote:
I have no idea what it's like to be a police officer, so what is your opinion in the George Floyd case? Did the officers follow procedure? Excessive? You mention folks being on PCP and having super human strength which is why I ask. Thanks.
The department I work for would 100% not allow for the pinning of a suspect by the neck, using a knee, a choke hold, or anything else for that matter. That is an old, out of date, and dangerous tactic. Apparently, Minneapolis PD allows for the use of that tactic by specifically trained officers within the department. That said, Chauvin should have removed his knee the instant that Mr. Floyd stopped resisting.
My take is that Chauvin let his ego get the best of him and that in his horribly misguided effort at impressing his authority over his trainee and the other officers on-scene, he kept his knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck/upper back.
As soon as a suspect is in police custody (example: handcuffed), the well-being of the suspect is in the hands of the police. Regardless of what training Chauvin had received/was certified for, as soon as Mr. Floyd stopped resisting he should have ended the restraint. Furthermore, the officers on scene should have immediately moved Mr. Floyd into the recovery position the second he stopped responding.
I’m not a doctor or a medical examiner but it clearly appears that Chauvin was at least a contributing factor in the death of Mr. Floyd, and he should be held responsible for that based upon the investigation and the trial.
Forgot to mention: After moving Mr. Floyd to the recovery position, the officers should have been constantly monitoring his pulse and breathing until the medics arrived. The officers are no-doubt trained in CPR and likely carried CPR masks and should have begun performing CPR after failing to detect pulse/breathing on Mr. Floyd.
Last thing, the rookie who was Chauvin’s trainee is 100% not responsible for this incident. If I read the reports correctly he had just a few days on the streets and there is no academy that can adequately train you for what you actually encounter on the streets. When a rookie is in the early stages of FTO its a massive shock and the rookie has to be able to rely and trust their field training officer completely because it’s the only way to adequately learn how to deal with real world circumstances. Chauvin set his rookie up for disaster.
hjvjvhjvjvjv wrote:
Honest question person wrote:
I have no idea what it's like to be a police officer, so what is your opinion in the George Floyd case? Did the officers follow procedure? Excessive? You mention folks being on PCP and having super human strength which is why I ask. Thanks.
The department I work for would 100% not allow for the pinning of a suspect by the neck, using a knee, a choke hold, or anything else for that matter. That is an old, out of date, and dangerous tactic. Apparently, Minneapolis PD allows for the use of that tactic by specifically trained officers within the department. That said, Chauvin should have removed his knee the instant that Mr. Floyd stopped resisting.
My take is that Chauvin let his ego get the best of him and that in his horribly misguided effort at impressing his authority over his trainee and the other officers on-scene, he kept his knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck/upper back.
As soon as a suspect is in police custody (example: handcuffed), the well-being of the suspect is in the hands of the police. Regardless of what training Chauvin had received/was certified for, as soon as Mr. Floyd stopped resisting he should have ended the restraint. Furthermore, the officers on scene should have immediately moved Mr. Floyd into the recovery position the second he stopped responding.
I’m not a doctor or a medical examiner but it clearly appears that Chauvin was at least a contributing factor in the death of Mr. Floyd, and he should be held responsible for that based upon the investigation and the trial.
Your humanity is showing. But you risk being condemned here as a weak-minded liberal, betraying your colleagues in blue and your fellow white Americans.
Pendejon wrote:
What amount of money would it take for you to police violent zones of Chicago at 2;30 in the morning, tasked with responding to gun fire explicitly, with non lethal weapons ? Not in the hoped for world but the real one get some sleep , your shift starts at midnight.
For starters: First, you pass strict handgun laws and universal background checks in the entire country, not just the city. Second, you have cops working in the neighborhood, getting to know people during the day, and getting positive id's. Third, you show up at their apartment or house in the morning to arrest them peaceably. Somehow every other country manages to avoid killing anywhere near what our police kill every year.
zxcvzcxv wrote:
Pendejon wrote:
What amount of money would it take for you to police violent zones of Chicago at 2;30 in the morning, tasked with responding to gun fire explicitly, with non lethal weapons ? Not in the hoped for world but the real one get some sleep , your shift starts at midnight.
For starters: First, you pass strict handgun laws and universal background checks in the entire country, not just the city. Second, you have cops working in the neighborhood, getting to know people during the day, and getting positive id's. Third, you show up at their apartment or house in the morning to arrest them peaceably. Somehow every other country manages to avoid killing anywhere near what our police kill every year.
This kind of thing has been discussed on other threads. The criminal has a huge advantage in his or her apartment, if they are even there when the cops try to find them. The bad guy may have more weapons or homies etc. Could turn into a mistaken identity , hostage situations. Kids could get hurt or be traumatized. Bad mistakes like Breonna Taylor happen. In her case wouldn't it have been better if the cops got her boyfriend at a traffic stop?
Not all areas are the same wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Don't be so sparing with your zeros. I'm sure you could have used more.
The 13 year old had a gun, and was yelled at to stop and he kept running with a gun. If he would have turned and shot the cop would you be okay with that? WHY not comply with the commands of the cop and then let the courts decide? If you want the livelihood of civilians to be decided by someone other than the cops you need to start pushing for compliance instead of blaming the police, it should be that simple for anyone with an IQ above zero!
It wasn’t until he complied that he was shot.
Armstronglivs wrote:
hjvjvhjvjvjv wrote:
The department I work for would 100% not allow for the pinning of a suspect by the neck, using a knee, a choke hold, or anything else for that matter. That is an old, out of date, and dangerous tactic. Apparently, Minneapolis PD allows for the use of that tactic by specifically trained officers within the department. That said, Chauvin should have removed his knee the instant that Mr. Floyd stopped resisting.
My take is that Chauvin let his ego get the best of him and that in his horribly misguided effort at impressing his authority over his trainee and the other officers on-scene, he kept his knee on Mr. Floyd’s neck/upper back.
As soon as a suspect is in police custody (example: handcuffed), the well-being of the suspect is in the hands of the police. Regardless of what training Chauvin had received/was certified for, as soon as Mr. Floyd stopped resisting he should have ended the restraint. Furthermore, the officers on scene should have immediately moved Mr. Floyd into the recovery position the second he stopped responding.
I’m not a doctor or a medical examiner but it clearly appears that Chauvin was at least a contributing factor in the death of Mr. Floyd, and he should be held responsible for that based upon the investigation and the trial.
Your humanity is showing. But you risk being condemned here as a weak-minded liberal, betraying your colleagues in blue and your fellow white Americans.
It’s impossible to consider anything you saw when you needlessly bring race into it. How do you know the OP is white? Why would it matter?
You are a racist.
I'm on the side of the cop in this one. This is beyond unfortunate, obviously, but if I'm chasing someone who I know has a gun, and they spin around toward me, and I have .0003 seconds to determine if the gun is in their hand, I'm shooting them first.
yawn wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Your humanity is showing. But you risk being condemned here as a weak-minded liberal, betraying your colleagues in blue and your fellow white Americans.
It’s impossible to consider anything you saw when you needlessly bring race into it. How do you know the OP is white? Why would it matter?
You are a racist.
Wasn't it Chauvin who kneedlessly (sorry - needlessly!) brought race into it, for 9'29"?
This is Jim Kiler wrote:
I'm on the side of the cop in this one. This is beyond unfortunate, obviously, but if I'm chasing someone who I know has a gun, and they spin around toward me, and I have .0003 seconds to determine if the gun is in their hand, I'm shooting them first.
Fortunately for everybody, you're not a cop.
Nope, you again.
Another day in Chicago, another murder of a child. Seven-year-old girl shot in broad daylight at a McDonald's drive thru. Looks like a probable gang hit on her father. Will there be protests? Nope. She'll be forgotten in the time it takes for another child to be killed. Probably by Friday.
We need to go back to the days of Al Capone. You know, when the streets of Chicago were safer than they are today.
This occurred about 1.5 miles from a part of the Chicago Marathon.
13-yo out at 2:30 am with a grown man and carrying a gun runs from police and gets shot and killed = riots
7-yo with her father at 4:18 pm getting a meal at McDonald's gets shot and killed = crickets chirping
The mayor needs to take charge of her city or resign.
I agree.
The Chicago mayor should immediately ban all guns from the city.