Yhaloa wrote:
Nigel Bruce wrote:
Negative splits weren't best in the summer of 1972.
Actually they were. Some of you are confused.
53.3/52.6
Yhaloa wrote:
Nigel Bruce wrote:
Negative splits weren't best in the summer of 1972.
Actually they were. Some of you are confused.
53.3/52.6
CopperRunner wrote:
flvmmox wrote:
opening speed is use it or lose it. not going full throttle early in the race won't do much to improve your kick in the end.
kicking in the 800m is generally misunderstood and its one of the few things i learned about on letsrun that i consider valuable knowledge and changed my thinking drastically
nearly every time when a dude slingshots off of the last curve in near last place but wins, that amazing speed is purely visuals. that last 100m is not even close to the fastest 100m ran in the race... more often than not the kicker is going the same speed they did the whole race, while the others are dead tired and walking it in.
"kicking" (closer to even splits) is also something more optimal for strength guys rather than speed guys. symmonds was a strength guy and was winning medals off of the last 100. devin dixon, who has more raw speed than 90% of 800m runners would actually be at a disadvantage if he hits the last straight and is neck and neck with say, craig engels.
+1
I had a wise man tell me that you have about 10 seconds of ATP energy that can be used at the beginning of your race.
You’ll run through that energy store no matter if you’re sprinting or just trying to get up to pace, so tactically you should use that 10 seconds to cover as much ground as you can before settling into race pace.
I also have to emphasize that once you are about 2:00-2:05 depending on raw speed and endurance there just won’t be the speed reserve to kick no matter what. Although the training is different, the 400 and 800 effects the body the same way. You should be at max velocity with 100-150m to go, and due to fatigue, that’s going to be the same as if not a little slower than your average race pace.
The Current science no longer backs this, the human body is a survival machine it will only use its stronger short burst energy systems when it has to, it actually uses the oxygen based systems first.
Covering as much ground as possible in the first 10 seconds is not recommended, you will consume more energy with a very fast first 200m. A controlled accelerator wastes less energy, even in a race as short as the 200m its important.
Have We Done This Before wrote:
Yhaloa wrote:
Actually they were. Some of you are confused.
53.3/52.6
The leaders in that race only went out in 52.3. They could have run 1:44 or so but not much faster off of that.
I don’t think we will ever see an opening lap of a championship 800m that slow again.
That’s like the people that marvel over Centro’s last 400m at Rio. It shows that they don’t understand how fatigue works.
Have We Done This Before wrote:
Yhaloa wrote:
Actually they were. Some of you are confused.
53.3/52.6
That would be an example of a negative split.
I thought it was understood that Wottle Was Running His Own Race here and didn't intend to be DFL at the bell but there he was. He was also not in top form on this day
Better question. Why is the 120 lb guy called the strength guy.
better list wrote:
Have We Done This Before wrote:
53.3/52.6
The leaders in that race only went out in 52.3. They could have run 1:44 or so but not much faster off of that.
I don’t think we will ever see an opening lap of a championship 800m that slow again.
That’s like the people that marvel over Centro’s last 400m at Rio. It shows that they don’t understand how fatigue works.
We saw it in 1980 -- 54.55 at 400m.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year