Teachers back to work yet?

I meant to say 27 school employees (mostly teachers) here in Iowa have died from COVID-19. I have no idea about numbers in other states or nationwide. In just one of my classes in November, I had six students with confirmed cases of COVID. That was the week when I came down with COVID - as did my wife. And yes, masks are required and we have been teaching in masks the whole year. There was a period of time when COVID-19 was rampant - and my state's death rate (185 per 100,000, or 1 per 540) is indicative of that. I know of no teacher that has had any time off due to COVID. A few teachers with health concerns did retire, which was a good decision on their part.

yawn wrote:

browski wrote:

lol. Yeah, because that's our job. To tell our union to STOP fighting for us.

Hmm. What would I rather have: job protection by my union OR the respect of countless nameless, faceless dopes on the internet. Tough call!

Thanks for proving my point. It is safe to return but you’d rather sit at home doing nothing while your union tries to shame parents for wanting their kids to receive a real education. If your union is wrong, you should reel them in.

Schools are open in NYC. Browski stated earlier that the charter school in his building is fully remote ( the schools without a union) while he's been going.

In the school where I previously taught only 100 out of 700 students elected to be taught in the building.

There are schools in office buildings that have poor ventilation and the inability to open windows. I taught in one where on hot days in June when the air conditioning wasn't working we were dismissed early.

In my local school 90% of the students chose remote learning. A large % of parents don't want their children commuting to school. You cant always blame unions.

Regardless you obviously are anti union but I'm glad the NYC teachers' union fights for us.

yawn wrote:

It is safe to return

We returned 'full blast' one week ago...

Half of our 7th grade is already out with covid. Looks like we will be shut down in a matter of days.

I think the covid stuff is mostly BS but I'm in favor of waiting until the fall to be safe to get everyone vaxxed.

Teachers make tons of $.

They work hard though.

I do income verification for a mortgage company at 38k (low, but you can live on it if you don't go out much) and even kids just out of college at nice suburban schools (Hilliard, Dublin, UA, etc.) start off at 47k. That is with 0 years of experience.

The bulk of good teachers make 70-90k, and admins make even more. Granted, many have more experience.

My fiancé makes 42k but once she gets her MA will make 50k at a Catholic school. That's not much even with an MA degree, but the Catholic schools pay crap. In a public school she'd be at 70k or more.

So yes, they make a lot of $ but they mostly earn it. I used to think they were overpaid but my fiancé works her tail off!

I can make it on 38k and my fiance makes 42k. I agree with you; if you are struggling on 100k a year there's an issue.

I have a jock friend from HS (a rare liberal in Geauga County) who made 65k and was saying he was poor. He is a medical device salesman and is all about Bitcoin and get-rich-quick schemes.

This is a good post.

A dirty secret of fields that pay little:

Counseling/Therapy

Teaching (in some cases; rural schools and urban schools are the worst, but suburban teachers are good).

Journalism

Non-profits (in various industries).

Those wages suck mostly but usually the worker has a spouse with a great job. Most people won't come out and say that though.

macdaddy, the wrote:

yawn wrote:

It is safe to return

We returned 'full blast' one week ago...

Half of our 7th grade is already out with covid. Looks like we will be shut down in a matter of days.

Your point? It is safe. Kids are not dying of Covid.

I need only point out how unions in Chicago, LA, and NYC continue to fight retuning to school to show that unions are controlling things in many places. Idc about your district. The district I live in had a survey and 85% of parents wanted full in time classes. Union fought it and now it is hybrid.

Idk many other professions where your job is to work with children and those paid to do it (with tax dollars) don’t want to do it.

yawn wrote:

macdaddy, the wrote:

We returned 'full blast' one week ago...

Half of our 7th grade is already out with covid. Looks like we will be shut down in a matter of days.

Your point? It is safe. Kids are not dying of Covid.

My point is we gave it a shot, but the highly contagious disease won.

Now, we have a 100 families who must quarantine and possibly miss school/work. I’m assuming that number will rise as we went from 0-100 in 5 school days.

By the way, 40000 parents dead from covid-19. I don’t know about you, but I’d push through a few months of online learning for my moms life.

Teacher's unions don't care about children. Full stop. Their singular interest is the teachers.

They spend enormous treasure trying to look benevolent(they aren't). They also spend money trying to make teachers look poor(they aren't).

They have been extremely effective in both of those propaganda efforts.

runnER/DR wrote:

Teacher's unions don't care about children. Full stop. Their singular interest is the teachers.

They spend enormous treasure trying to look benevolent(they aren't). They also spend money trying to make teachers look poor(they aren't).

They have been extremely effective in both of those propaganda efforts.

tfw a union promotes its members' interests.

johnmalkovich wrote:

runnER/DR wrote:

Teacher's unions don't care about children. Full stop. Their singular interest is the teachers.

They spend enormous treasure trying to look benevolent(they aren't). They also spend money trying to make teachers look poor(they aren't).

They have been extremely effective in both of those propaganda efforts.

tfw a union promotes its members' interests.

Wasn't arguing otherwise. It is what it is. They spend a lot of money to persuade the public otherwise. It's one of the most effective propaganda efforts in US history. No major institutions challenge their assertions.

Can you please provide evidence that the the union in NYC is "continue to fight retuning to school"? I know you're just talking out of your ass, but please entertain us. NYC elementary and D75 schools have been open for months. HSs opened right before Easter. What DOE schools are still closed? They changed the rules on closing due to COVID to keep schools open. So please, share what you know.

yawn wrote:

browski wrote:

lol. Yeah, because that's our job. To tell our union to STOP fighting for us.

Hmm. What would I rather have: job protection by my union OR the respect of countless nameless, faceless dopes on the internet. Tough call!

Thanks for proving my point. It is safe to return but you’d rather sit at home doing nothing while your union tries to shame parents for wanting their kids to receive a real education. If your union is wrong, you should reel them in.

Except I've said multiple times, in this thread and in others that I'd MUCH rather be teaching 5 days a week in class than at home.

A quick search brings up this, showing NYC continues to overreact and now allow all kids to return to school.

Second article (which I concede is a month old and some things have changed) still shows the union was being unreasonable in March.

The facts are simple. The CDC that everyone loves and turns to for guidance (idk why) has said it’s safe. The teacher unions continue to fight the cdc.

It’s clear there are many teachers (not all but many) who don’t want to go back to school.

jecht wrote:

Teachers make tons of $.

I guess my paystub flat out lies to me then. Teaching for almost 2 decades and I don't make anywhere near what you claim most teachers make in your other posts.

macdaddy ogg yo wrote:

yawn wrote:

Your point? It is safe. Kids are not dying of Covid.

My point is we gave it a shot, but the highly contagious disease won.

Now, we have a 100 families who must quarantine and possibly miss school/work. I’m assuming that number will rise as we went from 0-100 in 5 school days.

By the way, 40000 parents dead from covid-19. I don’t know about you, but I’d push through a few months of online learning for my moms life.

No, the disease didn’t win, you all caved to a contagious but relatively non-lethal disease.

I would rather have kids learn in person and actually receive an education at the very low risk of my mom’s life. I know for a fact she would prefer this too.

Side note, it’s a guarantee that if those 40000 parents you pulled out of a hat, at least 10% didn’t die of Covid.

Large group of students/families have switched back to online learning today after word spread that the virus has wrecked our 7th grade.

The virus won.