1 question. If Floyd was not on drugs is outcome the same?

No it isn't.

Think of it this way: if police kneeled on Jordan Hasay's neck for 9 minutes and killed her, but there was a chance she might have been high at the time, would you be okay with that?

parry docks wrote:

Would he have died from the neck hold alone? I believe this to be the major point of the trial.

He was murdered. So I say yes, cops would’ve murdered him still.

No he wouldn’t have died. The meth and cortisol from the stress combined with the pre-existing cardiac damage caused a fatal irregular heart rhythm. When the bulk load of the fatal dose of Fentanyl hit his bloodstream (Fentanyl when ingested orally doesn’t hit right away, it is a delayed delivery, similar to marijuana edibles, unfortunately when the fatal dose hit, he was too far gone to be revived). The respiratory depression from the Fentanyl caused his heart to race and in its damaged condition was unable to keep up and went into arrest. The drugs killed him.

Survey says yes.

The total disregard for human life, the....ho hum, as he kneeled on the neck. Does it really matter about drugs, this cop did everything you just cannot do and he needs to go down heavy sending a message. When cops dump on a cop that is a powerful message,

Drugs a total non factor,

Moby Dick Jr wrote:

Think of it this way: if police kneeled on Jordan Hasay's neck for 9 minutes and killed her, but there was a chance she might have been high at the time, would you be okay with that?

Lol I can play this game too: if police ran Jordan Hasay over on with their car and she died with lethal amounts of bath salts and PCP in her system, would that be cool with you?

The cops wouldn't have needed to do much of anything with him had he not been on drugs because he wouldn't have been behaving so erratically. Dude shoved drugs up his arse. Regardless, it's a good thing he's dead. One less miserable puke on the planet causing harm to other people. It's too bad he couldn't have just ODed at home so all the other BS that's resulted from this POS killing himself wouldn't have happened.

Whatley wrote:

The total disregard for human life, the....ho hum, as he kneeled on the neck. Does it really matter about drugs, this cop did everything you just cannot do and he needs to go down heavy sending a message. When cops dump on a cop that is a powerful message,

Drugs a total non factor,

Having someone kneel on your neck really isn't a death sentence like you think it is. Its a common police restraint and Floyd was likely going into cardiac arrest before he ever hit the ground as he was saying he couldn't breathe while the cops were trying to get him into the car. Either you didn't watch the entire footage or your legitimately insane if you think the lethal amounts of fentanyl in your system moments before you go into cardiac arrest are a "non factor."

No, his mind is more clear and he isn't likely to suffer cardiac arrest.

If Chauvin called in sick that day is outcome the same?

Yes he would die of an overdose.

His friend is going to invoke his 5th amendment rights because he doesn’t want to admit the real nature of their relationship. Two unemployed grown men with a nice car flush with cash passing money around. George ate the drugs because he didn’t want to go to jail again for dealing. The last time he did it he required medical intervention. This time it killed him because the medical help came too late and he had inflicted too much damage the last time. The justice here is he was killed by the same poison he was selling to others.

So you would be OK with someone kneeling on your neck for 9mins? After all it is no big deal right? If you pass out, they can keep apply force cause why not?

And if the dude is going into cardiac arrest, why do you need to kneel on him? How many people have heart attacks need to be restrained? Obviously he didn't have a heart attack until he was attacked. And why are you kneeling on the neck of someone who isn't moving?

No sane person looks at that video and goes that wasn't excessive force. All he had to do was get off after like 90s when Floyd was subdued and none of this happens. If this excessive force rises to murder is much harder to say.

If Floyd was white would he have been killed?

I think we know the answer.

Cardiac arrest was starting when he was sitting in his vehicle. His condition caused him to behave erratically so they restrained him. And once you have to initiate a certain level of restraint you do not back it down. That is how officers or people get hurt. Once you put someone on the ground they stay in the ground.

coach wrote:

If Floyd was white would he have been killed?

I think we know the answer.

White people OD on fentanyl all the time, so yes.

The principle in law is that you take your victim as you find him. Floyd's frailties and weakened condition will not exonerate Chauvin if his actions contributed to Floyd's death.

For me, it doesn't matter whether he died or not, or whether he was on drugs or not. By questioning whether Floyd would have died if he was not on drugs feels like he is being blamed for his own death thereby removing all responsibility from Chauvin. It's like a desperate and feeble search for reasons not to find Chauvin at fault. Chauvin was wholly and completely at fault for applying such pressure to a man's neck for a too long a period of time and for basing that action on whatever preconception and prejudgements he had which provided the instruction on how that man should be treated/how the action was carried out.