Not a debate, but seems like US authorities underestimating % people who won't get vaccinated. What you think?

Anthony Aho wrote:

(not a debate-mods please dont delete). Not debating whether we should get the vaccine or not but it Seems like US authorities underestimating the number people who won't get vaccinated. Among my white healthy middle aged friends the number seems very high and it's high among my friend's friends as well. What you think?

These antisocial types tend to associate with like minded anticomunity types and do overestimate how much antiwelfare sentiment is out there.

Israel's looking great on a percentage basis, but just looking at sheer scale, the United States has conducted a far larger operation than anywhere else to this point, 110 million, more than 20 times the scale of Israel at 5.29 million, and only India with 76 million has more than 20% of the U.S.'s sheer total.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

The numbers dying are or at least were dropping because case numbers fell from 300,000 + per day to 60-77k per day AND tens of millions of more vulnerable members of the population got vaccinated.

I was reading through the threads and it definitely seems like many have been tricked into not taking the vaccine. I’m not an expert as to what level of the population we need though or how soon we’ll be able to get there

This is just my guess, but the current spread (~70k cases per day or whatever it is) may look better than it really is because most of the frail are already vaccinated, and the ones getting infected at this point (late stage) in the pandemic are more likely to be young and asymptomatic and so the real number of newly infected may be way higher than the ~70k per day of new cases (which just sounds like an extremely low number compared to where we were last January). The young are perhaps not self selecting themselves to go get tested even if though they may very likely happen to have the b.117 variant from the UK with no or very very mild symptoms.

Hans Geisler wrote:

This is just my guess, but the current spread (~70k cases per day or whatever it is) may look better than it really is because most of the frail are already vaccinated, and the ones getting infected at this point (late stage) in the pandemic are more likely to be young and asymptomatic and so the real number of newly infected may be way higher than the ~70k per day of new cases (which just sounds like an extremely low number compared to where we were last January). The young are perhaps not self selecting themselves to go get tested even if though they may very likely happen to have the b.117 variant from the UK with no or very very mild symptoms.

Perhaps the ratio of positive tests to actual cases has decreased, however the ratio of positive tests to future hospitalizations and deaths has probably decreased considerably more. The predictable pattern going from infections to hospitalizations to deaths is not something I would bank on going forward

This is my concern. I have a daughter who developed clots with the virus. No one can tell us if her body will react the same way to the gene therapy or the vaccine. It was a grave situation. My other family members who had covid then got the gene therapy shots had a similar reaction to the shots as they had to the virus.

I also have a friend whose mother died after getting the shots. She had a pre-existing condition that really took off after getting it. She was hospitalized within 48 hours of getting it, but died 2 weeks later.

I think it would be best to allow people to make these decisions for themselves without repercussions rather than force it on them or punish them for making their own choice.

We aren’t going to know these answers for several years. The doctors kept telling us that through our daughter’s ordeal.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

high school xc coach wrote:

i personally didn't want the vaccine for my own health. im not scared.

But you're scared of the big, bad vaccine? Come on, man.

Absolutely. I have no fear of the virus.

Great news, no one is making you get it!

No one is making you get it... yet. At 3-4million jabs/day, we'll get to June before the waiting lists dwindle down. Then we'll see. Hopefully, by June we will be approaching herd immunity.

I think kids 12+ and college students will be the first groups to be forced to get vaccinated. I think that it won't be absolutely mandatory, but it will be structured so it's extremely difficult to attend classes without the vaccination.

fisky wrote:

Conservative Christian wrote:

Great news, no one is making you get it!

No one is making you get it... yet. At 3-4million jabs/day, we'll get to June before the waiting lists dwindle down. Then we'll see. Hopefully, by June we will be approaching herd immunity.

I think kids 12+ and college students will be the first groups to be forced to get vaccinated. I think that it won't be absolutely mandatory, but it will be structured so it's extremely difficult to attend classes without the vaccination.

Colleges are free to mandate that students are vaccinated before they attend. It's called the first amendment sweaty. Look it up.

For one: your daughter developed blood clots from the virus, and instead of making you scared enough of the virus to get the vaccine...it has made you scared of the vaccine?

For two: I can tell you're having some misinformation issues here, because the shot is absolutely NOT 'gene therapy'. The use of the word "mRNA" does NOT make it gene therapy, and it will NOT alter your DNA.

Conservative Christian wrote:

fisky wrote:

No one is making you get it... yet. At 3-4million jabs/day, we'll get to June before the waiting lists dwindle down. Then we'll see. Hopefully, by June we will be approaching herd immunity.

I think kids 12+ and college students will be the first groups to be forced to get vaccinated. I think that it won't be absolutely mandatory, but it will be structured so it's extremely difficult to attend classes without the vaccination.

Colleges are free to mandate that students are vaccinated before they attend. It's called the first amendment sweaty. Look it up.

You're kinda misreading what I said. Some colleges are already mandating vaccination. Whether all colleges will make it mandatory remains to be seen. They probably will, hence, my premise that colleges and schools will be the first to mandate COVID vaccinations.

Some still think that getting vaccine will give them COVID-19. Others afraid of mRNA thinking falsely it will alter their dna or that it is experimental ~it’s not. Others too dumb to understand difference between association and causation in reading statistical studies/“reports” from all kinds of crazy *ss (unreliable) sources.

On the other side I see people want the vaccine but too computer illiterate to use a searcher and/or too lazy to want to drive more than 45mins away (usually to a red area)where plenty of excess supply.

It is these reasons we have a long way to go. Certain rural areas (no internet) they have people to drive to the elderly to give them the vaccine at the home

Nate Silver had a tweet that there are vaccine appts available in the 12 largest metro areas. The time of supply constraint is over.

It remains to be seen how much of America is too dumb or secretly likes being in the middle of COVID-times to get the shot.

Harambe wrote:

Nate Silver had a tweet that there are vaccine appts available in the 12 largest metro areas. The time of supply constraint is over.

It remains to be seen how much of America is too dumb or secretly likes being in the middle of COVID-times to get the shot.

+1

Here in Colorado, places like Windsor, Greeley, Fort Collins, Loveland, Cheyenne/Laramie WY, Colorado Springs (especially Fountain, CO) have TONS of vaccine, all the while Denver (exception Aurora)/Boulder/Longmont it’s doable but about ten times more difficult. You sit there with all the zip codes on scratch paper and it’s kind of fun.

The polls from pew research Center and Kaiser indicate that right now we are at about 70% intending to get the vaccine, and that number had been climbing a bit. I expect it to get to 75%

I was beginning to think fall would be a good target to see more normal times but unfortunately people may get their wish to continue to be told what to do through the end of 2021.

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/09/us/us-covid-vaccines-mistakes-progress-analysis/index.html

"I really worry and I'm actually quite certain that we're not going to reach herd immunity because of it," Wen said. "At least we're not going to reach herd immunity in 2021. I can't see us getting to that point because of how vaccines have been so politicized." Experts including Fauci have estimated somewhere between 70% to 85% of Americans would need immunity -- either through a vaccine or from recovery after a Covid-19 infection -- to get control of the virus in the US.