Not a debate, but seems like US authorities underestimating % people who won't get vaccinated. What you think?

Anthony Aho wrote:

it Seems like US authorities underestimating the number people who won't get vaccinated. Among my white healthy middle aged friends the number seems very high and it's high among my friend's friends as well. What you think?

What are they estimating the number of people who will refuse to get vaccinated and what is the number you think it is?

DanM wrote:

Harambe wrote:

^ This person has no empathy and is proud of it.

We should probably stop responding to their diatribes.

There's a hint that they understand the situation at deeper level than their blathering lets on, yet they write 500 words trying to convince themselves of the callous alternative.

Compassion is a finite resource. There are only x number of doctors and nurses available to help the sick and injured. The data is undeniable about excess weight and COVID-19. We are lucky that the infection fatality rate is only 0.6%. One year ago, there were predictions that the IFR would be 3%. Calamity did not occur THIS time.

When it comes to pandemics, COVID-19 is an amateur.

Well, we agree on that. Should something more transmissible and deadly come along soon - we will in big, big trouble.

Compassion is literally not a finite resource according to the Scripture. Universal love is Good Actually.

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

Everyone I know who got it, got it before the vaccine roll-out. Most last summer, in fact.

You don't need to be "fully-vaccinated," you just need one shot to be 90 percent clear

Previously infected are also free of risk (120 million right there)

And there are a lot who are immune

110 + 120 + 40 million = 270

You'll say "overlap." Okay, then we're at 220 million. How many are in this country?

Believe it or not, other countries recognize what I've said above - vaccinated, previously-infected, immune. It's only this country that we have to have 100 percent "fully-vaccinated."

1 + does is 33% in USA but you need at least a week before some immunity so we will say ~28% (vaccinating ~25 million a week right now)

I think 35% infected and recovered is a good benchmark.

That's 92 +115 = 207 million. 62% so about what I said.

There is likely significant overlap between frontline workers who got exposed and those who have gotten the vaccine initially!!

50% seems like a good estimate for immunity right now.

We are close, but no reason to slow down.

I would say its more like 10 days after first dose for immunity.

How much was this guy paid for his endorsement ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9450551/Man-suffered-blood-clots-having-AstraZeneca-vaccine-urges-Oxford-jab.html

DanM wrote:

How much was this guy paid for his endorsement ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9450551/Man-suffered-blood-clots-having-AstraZeneca-vaccine-urges-Oxford-jab.html

Are you sure this was proved to be caused by the vaccine and not just association based on patient report? Association does not equal causation

Hans Geisler wrote:

DanM wrote:

How much was this guy paid for his endorsement ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9450551/Man-suffered-blood-clots-having-AstraZeneca-vaccine-urges-Oxford-jab.html

Are you sure this was proved to be caused by the vaccine and not just association based on patient report? Association does not equal causation

Not for the vaccine.

But it does for the virus.

This blatant double standard is another reason not to trust the narrative

People demanding that all people have the right to make decisions for themselves area not free-loaders; you are the selfish one demanding everyone comply because you have singular anxiety problems about one virus. You are the selfish one sir, not everyone fighting to let every be able to live their lives and conduct business as they see fit.

Please elaborate or not wrote:

I know of one person who's not getting vaccinated. Everyone else, out of the hundreds of people who represent my network of close friends and extended family, are getting or have already been, vaccinated.

However they're flat-out smarter and saner than the deniers and conspiracy theorists and reside in well-educated liberal enclaves: the San Francisco Bay Area, Boston, and New York City. I don't suffer fools gladly and so everyone is extremely intelligent and science-oriented. They can appreciate the benefits of widespread COVID vaccinations leading to herd immunity.

If you're too stupid to see the benefits then please stay in your flyover states. Your choice, mind you...

Oh boy, I see geography breeds some pseudo-intelligence. The fact that you consider those places anything other than enclaves of mindless creatons is funny, but we won't get in the way of your superiority complex.

Hans Geisler wrote:

DanM wrote:

How much was this guy paid for his endorsement ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9450551/Man-suffered-blood-clots-having-AstraZeneca-vaccine-urges-Oxford-jab.html

Are you sure this was proved to be caused by the vaccine and not just association based on patient report? Association does not equal causation

Are you sure all of those deaths were proved to be caused by Covid-19 this past year? Or were many just an assumption? Most were an assumption.

Also the extent of immunity granted by vaccine or previous infection matters, and neither is 100%.

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

Everyone I know who got it, got it before the vaccine roll-out. Most last summer, in fact.

You don't need to be "fully-vaccinated," you just need one shot to be 90 percent clear

Previously infected are also free of risk (120 million right there)

And there are a lot who are immune

110 + 120 + 40 million = 270

You'll say "overlap." Okay, then we're at 220 million. How many are in this country?

Believe it or not, other countries recognize what I've said above - vaccinated, previously-infected, immune. It's only this country that we have to have 100 percent "fully-vaccinated."

Your numbers are off, or COVID wouldn't still be spreading the way it is. There is a good amount of overlap in terms of people who have been vaccinated and have gotten COVID. We have a month or so of vaccinating 3-4M+ per day and then we can start thinking about herd immunity. The anti-vaxxers could screw everything up unfortunately if they allow new more resistant variants to take hold. Optimistic enough of them already have gotten COVID or change their minds.

1. The numbers dying are dropping. Weird, huh?

2. The UK is at 75 percent, and they're declaring herd immunity. They include all the numbers I include, which put us at over 80 percent. Only in this country do we have such doom and gloom.

I think Texas is run by idiots, but can you explain what's going on there? I'm waiting.

The numbers have plateaued. We're not there yet. Just be patient, get vaccinated and wait a month. Is it that hard?

The numbers dying, are dropping.

Can you explain?

i personally didn't want the vaccine for my own health. im not scared. i also did not do it to protect others. forget this TOGETHER stuff. we are not together. if everybody else was as healthy as i am, this thing would be barely be on the news radar.

i got the vaccine because i don't want to have to worry about quarantine if I come in contact with somebody. And i realize damn well that our country will not open up and be mask free until a very high percent of the population gets it. it makes me sick, but ive raised the white flag.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

The numbers have plateaued. We're not there yet. Just be patient, get vaccinated and wait a month. Is it that hard?

It’s also important to note that the numbers have plateaued with masking and social distancing expectations in place in schools operating at 40% capacity. If everything went back to normal i would bet that we would have some degree of a spike.

I would like to open up much further, and think one more month of vaccination would probably suffice. Certainly previous infections do factor into what we should expect, as well as the levels of immunity provided by previous infections or vaccinations

high school xc coach wrote:

i personally didn't want the vaccine for my own health. im not scared.

But you're scared of the big, bad vaccine? Come on, man.