Not a debate, but seems like US authorities underestimating % people who won't get vaccinated. What you think?

mo money mo problems wrote:

I know my input won’t sway you but would like to note that vaccine development isn’t very profitable for companies. Neither is antibiotic development. Actually, there had to be a bill passed a couple years ago to encourage ‘big pharma’ to develop more antibiotics.

People throw ‘big pharma’ out for everything. There are a decent amount of things that don’t make much money.

Of course your input won't sway me because these Covid vaccines are very profitable for Big Pharma. The vaccine companies have already made billions from Operation Warp Speed and will continue to make billions more throughout 2021:

Bancel becomes an overnight Billionaire!

It's all about the $$$. These vaccine CEOs are money junkies. The more vaccines they can persuade people to take the more dough they make. And the richer they become the more influence they have over Congress, the governments, the medical community, the CDC, the FDA & the MSM. The sooner you learn this, the better off you'll be and you won't fall prey to the mind-controlling effects of the pharma-controlled MSM.

100% of people won't get vaccinated because there is no vaccine. What they've got is a preemptive treatment.

It's not unlike agriculture putting all livestock on antibiotics whether they're infected with anything or not.

Bad Wigins wrote:

100% of people won't get vaccinated because there is no vaccine. What they've got is a preemptive treatment.

It's not unlike agriculture putting all livestock on antibiotics whether they're infected with anything or not.

Somehow, incredibly, you've managed to get dumber since the 2600 post

Conservative Christian wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

100% of people won't get vaccinated because there is no vaccine. What they've got is a preemptive treatment.

It's not unlike agriculture putting all livestock on antibiotics whether they're infected with anything or not.

Somehow, incredibly, you've managed to get dumber since the 2600 post

Get a saline shot. Just as effective

The Unkle wrote:

Harambe wrote:

No way a 40% effective vaccine prevents 450k deaths or whatever to match COVID.

No way a vaccine prevents 450k flu deaths since the largest number of flu deaths in any year is well below 100k.

Typical Harambe, picks the low end of the spectrum (40%, rather than admitting it is 40-60%), claims it is the average, then assumes that would translate to something less than double the number of deaths without it. You do realize that the reduction in people getting sick with the flu decreases the spread of the flu as well? Correct. You realize, that yes, this could very well translate to the same volume or more deaths as covid this year? Did you forget the Spanish Flu? If this vaccine is 90-95% effective, and all of the susceptible populations are vaccinated, do you still excepted 50-100,000 deaths per year from Covid? Do you realize that since the SARS-01 pandemic ended we have had ZERO deaths due to SARS since. Covid is not the flu, it only seems to get select populations, once they are vaccinated we have mostly solved this problem.

Duly noted...but why would I care about someone else's health status when the majority of these people allowed themselves to get into a poor health situation in the first place?I take responsibility for my health by working out 7 days a week, eating a healthy organic diet, abstaining from alcohol & drugs, and taking vitamin D3. Many others posting here also do the same.

It's a dog-eat-dog world out there - I could care less that so many of these people with poor health brought it upon themselves and now expect the healthy to protect them. Next time you're out & about and see an obese person shopping at a store or something in a scooter (because they're so obese they can't even walk), ask them if they honor & respect you for your dedication & discipline to your running or whatever physical endeavor you pursue. Lol.

The Unkle wrote:

mo money mo problems wrote:

While there is some profit, generally companies make way more off of therapeutics. Idk 🤷🏻‍♀️ Just wanted to share some stats on what makes them money. I genuinely am not being sarcastic and understand why money makes people concerned. I think having conversations like these are important even if we don’t agree.

Big Pharma is pushing for 2 vaccines a year, every year, for every person on the planet.

That's 14 billion shots per year.

Times @ $30 per shot equal > $400 billion per year in gross income on the vaccine.

+1 👍

Spot on. I can see you have separated yourself from the effects of the pharma-controlled MSM fearmongering machine...well done.

The money junkie CEOs of these vax manufacturers could give a sh&t about the long-term adverse effects of their magic potions. When people starting developing serious problems from these vaccines, they'll be out having a good time on their yachts & beach front properties toasting their champagne glasses to the billions they have made. Lol.

I got my COVID shot and 5 days later developed a rash on the middle of my chest. I thought no biggie, until my right side was paralyzed. I knew I was not having a stroke because I could talk and think normal, but it was scary. It was the Pfizer shot btw.

I am back to normal after 24 hours, but it was scary. I am scheduled to take my second shot on the 18th this month.

Because people who aren't psychopaths have empathy for other people and don't want them to die. That's already a lower-than-baseline level of humanity to have.

The level to which you're dehumanizing fat people and those with other health issues is seriously disgusting. I also find it ironic how you talk about "Big Pharma" and ignore the fast food/processed food industry, which has had a huge effect over the obesity epidemic. But I guess it lets you hate the people you want to hate.

Pharma does a lot of good for society and deserves to be well paid. Their vaccines are amazingly good and are going to end this pandemic

Someone beat me to it but... because you don't want to let everyone know that you are a sociopath? I guess it's too late for that now though. Jesus. What happened that this became the sort of comment that someone would proudly make?

Das Unkle wrote:

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:

Your complete inability to even consider other people is just fascinating. I'm not getting vaccinated because I'm worried about dying of Covid. I'm getting vaccinated because I don't want to give covid to my immunocompromised mother or my very elderly grandparents.

All these "brave" people aren't afraid of spreading an illness that has killed almost 600K americans, but they're terrified of getting a shot that makes their shoulder sore for couple days. It's insane.

Sure it has. Name one person anyone ever heard of who died of Covid who was not deathly ill before Covid arrived. There are none. The nearly 600k number is overstated by a factor of ten or so. Ditto on the 30 plus million cases in America.

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It's a worldwide thing, it's not exaggerated it's not a conspiracy. Get the vaccine! We've all had multiple vaccines when we were babies.

Bad Wigins wrote:

100% of people won't get vaccinated because there is no vaccine. What they've got is a preemptive treatment.

It's not unlike agriculture putting all livestock on antibiotics whether they're infected with anything or not.

Dude, you may want to brush up on how a vaccine vs. antibiotics work. Antibiotics kill bacteria, and can only kill bacteria in your body that you currently have, not future infections. Thus, it actually selects for antibiotic resistant vectors. Why do farmers use antibiotics? Because the animals gain weight.

A vaccine does not affect the virus load currently in your body. It activates cells that recognize antigens and can fend off future infection. You have to know this though. You’re a more troll than stupid.

Four in our family, and two getting the shot(s). If it was up to me, it would be none getting the shots.

No, it couldn't. Never have we seen remotely the excess deaths we saw during COVID even during bad flu seasons. The numbers don't add up. (Only 50% of people get vaccinated each year too, it seems)

The flu vaccine is ~40 % effective at preventing hospitalization (we don't care about sniffles ,right?).

Sorry, you aren't going to end up with 10-20x the number of flu deaths without a vaccine.

Unless, of course, it's a terribly bad new strain with little population immunity and a high IFR! Then that's scary -- that's like COVID!

So yes, your argument is correct:

If a new strain of the flu is suddenly like COVID, then it would kill as many people as COVID, and that would be bad. The Spanish flu is a great example of... the risks of infectious disease?

(The SARS non-sequitur is weird. We controlled SARS and it had a low R_0. Vaccines were never in the equation. Evidence that different strains of viruses can behave differently is elementary but valuable?)

"If I am completely selfish and renounce all altruism, I don't have to care about almost anything!!"

Enlightening perspective.

Cooperation has been essential to human progress. Freeloaders like yourself are a cost we tolerate. Carry on.

I know of one person who's not getting vaccinated. Everyone else, out of the hundreds of people who represent my network of close friends and extended family, are getting or have already been, vaccinated.

However they're flat-out smarter and saner than the deniers and conspiracy theorists and reside in well-educated liberal enclaves: the San Francisco Bay Area, Boston, and New York City. I don't suffer fools gladly and so everyone is extremely intelligent and science-oriented. They can appreciate the benefits of widespread COVID vaccinations leading to herd immunity.

If you're too stupid to see the benefits then please stay in your flyover states. Your choice, mind you...

semantic antic wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

100% of people won't get vaccinated because there is no vaccine. What they've got is a preemptive treatment.

It's not unlike agriculture putting all livestock on antibiotics whether they're infected with anything or not.

Dude, you may want to brush up on how a vaccine vs. antibiotics work. Antibiotics kill bacteria, and can only kill bacteria in your body that you currently have, not future infections. Thus, it actually selects for antibiotic resistant vectors. Why do farmers use antibiotics? Because the animals gain weight.

A vaccine does not affect the virus load currently in your body. It activates cells that recognize antigens and can fend off future infection. You have to know this though. You’re a more troll than stupid.

You are more stupid than a troll. Get a real education before embarrassing yourself with sophomoric mouth diarrhea. What is it with you kids?

The "vaxxes" do not prevent infection by or transmission of a virus, but are designed to reduce severity of symptoms once infected. Therefore, they are not a vaccine, but a preemptive treatment.

They are like ag antibiotics in that they are given to fight a pathogen that is not even there yet. That is true no matter what straw-man gibberish you jagoff to in your unregistered cowardice.

You did, accidentally, make one important point: yes, treating things that aren't there does speed selection for things immune to those treatments! Virologists have been warning about this for a while now. The "vaxxes" are quickly going to result in "vax"-resistant variants. What a stupid rabbit hole to jump into when most of the population is not at risk.