hope she doesn't read this message board because if she does any belief she had in herself is surely shattered now . 24 years old and getting written off .. wow !!!
hope she doesn't read this message board because if she does any belief she had in herself is surely shattered now . 24 years old and getting written off .. wow !!!
Then why not apply this to everything? If stuff is getting deleted -off topic posts get deleted, why does hateful stuff stays up everywhere else, that is also completely off topic? Just like posts about men's shorts and joke stay up, but the moment there's a thread about women's shorts with literally nothing offensive it gets taken down. Such a double standard, quite honestly, I don't want to tiptoe around things any more when no one else bothers.
You all seriously wonder why women stay away? Really!? I probably have the thickest skin of anyone I know (women and men included) but I get hacked off at how inconsistent all of this is sometimes. And the only reason I'm hacked off is I actually like this site and think it has a lot of value - if I didn't, I wouldn't bother! I feel like I have to tiptoe around constantly with what I type yet various other posters (no, I'm not talking about moderators here) just say whatever they want, often is utterly offensive to a lot of people. I personally don't really give a .... but this is why people stay away, and it is annoying when it's so inconsistent. People will see their stuff taken down and most won't even bother saying anything, they will just leave. It is frustrating to see your own posts taken down when it's for simply being 'off topic' when a load of stuff stays up that's offensive. Especially when it is about something like shorts. Pick one or the other or you're going to end up with simply a load of off topic posts as people will get annoyed and not bother posting about running... unless you want a political website. It just happens over and over and over again... people give up at some point. I am off out as this has annoyed me now! There is a post referring to the sweat on her bum but that is OK!?
Mary won the 1500 at 2014 US Indoors. In the 3K Gabe Gruneward had been DQ'd at Salazar's insistence.
This image was taken directly after the 1500. I'm certain the athletes in it have no regrets.
rojo wrote:
If Cain hadn't gone to Salazar, do I think she'd be a world beater today? No. I do not. She might have been a US version of Georgie Clarke. The Aussie Clarke ran 2:01 and 4:06 at age 15 in 2000 and her pb now 20 y ears later is 2:01 and 4:06.
Ridiculously flawed analysis, you drastically overrate Salazar, much like you do Nike. She had plenty of other options and while Salazar might have been the sexy headline choice, to anyone with a full and nuanced understanding it wasn't clearly the main or only right choice, not even at the time she made it.
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I'll always be rooting for Cain in any comeback she might attempt. She should not have to perpetually pay for the poor decisions made on her behalf in her youth.
Don't bother with reason and consistency, that will never apply here. We're talking about a bunch of creeps who not only consented to hotness (female athlete objectification based on looks) threads but actually encouraged and instigated them. Not long in the past, even as recently as 2017!
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=8430987#8430987You do understand she’s not the only woman to over train and lose her period and develop stress fractures right? It happens at all levels of competition. Easy fix is leaving the situation that no longer serves you.
Look at it on the male side of things, what the hell have David Ribich and Drew Windle done at Brooks under Mackey the last 2-3 years. It’s easier to collect your check than it is go find a lower paying situation that actually works for you
rojo wrote:
People think Salazar treating Cain poorly caused her pro running career to not flourish. I don't really think they are related in that sense. If anything, her pro running career stalling caused him to act like a jerk. . . .
This may be the most fair thing any person with editorial control has ever written about Alberto on this website.
There were no poor decisions. She would have dropped off even faster under a college coach who would have been afraid to comment on her weight gain.
Flotrack rocks wrote:
There were no poor decisions. She would have dropped off even faster under a college coach who would have been afraid to comment on her weight gain.
You didn't run in college, did you? You have zero clue. Starting with Flotrack.
stan the corgi wrote:
I began reading this with some interest but realized it was repeating itself, over and over, and skipped to the final paragraph. I always thought she made a poor decision to race pro and attend U of P to begin her post hs career. Just should have gone to a good school with a well developed track program and enjoyed her time. I think she'd be in much better shape and frame of mind today.
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Yes, but she thought she was too good for the NCAA and Salazar agreed....Run with the pros at age 17? Developing runners need a league or system to be part of. The NCAA would have provided her with that but going pro means very few races to take part in.
stan the corgi wrote:
I began reading this with some interest but realized it was repeating itself, over and over, and skipped to the final paragraph. I always thought she made a poor decision to race pro and attend U of P to begin her post hs career. Just should have gone to a good school with a well developed track program and enjoyed her time. I think she'd be in much better shape and frame of mind today.
agree-show me a runner that has significantly improved after turning pro rather than going to college...
w0efuu wrote:
stan the corgi wrote:
I began reading this with some interest but realized it was repeating itself, over and over, and skipped to the final paragraph. I always thought she made a poor decision to race pro and attend U of P to begin her post hs career. Just should have gone to a good school with a well developed track program and enjoyed her time. I think she'd be in much better shape and frame of mind today.
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Yes, but she thought she was too good for the NCAA and Salazar agreed....Run with the pros at age 17? Developing runners need a league or system to be part of. The NCAA would have provided her with that but going pro means very few races to take part in.
NCAA a good idea not only with respect to races, but a similar peer group with common issues--hard to hang out with 25-30 year-old guys that are out of college...
Jakob I.
dingus of the hour wrote:
You do understand she’s not the only woman to over train and lose her period and develop stress fractures right? It happens at all levels of competition. Easy fix is leaving the situation that no longer serves you.
Look at it on the male side of things, what the hell have David Ribich and Drew Windle done at Brooks under Mackey the last 2-3 years. It’s easier to collect your check than it is go find a lower paying situation that actually works for you
User name checks out. I'm not sure how you think coaching a 17 year old female out of high school and a 24 year old male after a successful collegiate career are the same or relevant - or perhaps you believe that somehow the maturity level of a 17 year old female is the same as a 24 year old male with a college degree who had 4 years of racing at the collegiate level - but, regardless, I accept that you are the dingus of the hour. Well done.
I was on a national championship team in college. I also was an assistant college coach.
I was going to say this. I have heard on all levels stories about girls/women starving themselves in order to improve their track times. It's a pretty common occurrence sadly. I knew someone who gained 20 pounds her freshman year, was very overweight for a track athlete, then starved herself when her coach told her she had to lose weight in order to perform at her best. She blamed the coach on her poor diet and weight loss strategies and for ruining her running career. I understand that Cain's situation was very different, but the point remains the same. While Salazar is definitely partly to blame for poor coaching, Cain is also responsible for her own actions and extreme weight loss choices. It's not like Salazar locked her up and didn't allow her to eat.
I found the article to be an interesting, matter-of-fact discussion of how she worked her way back from surgery.
When did she get back to her old form? I haven't seen any sub 2 minute 800s recently.
paul72 wrote:
stan the corgi wrote:
I began reading this with some interest but realized it was repeating itself, over and over, and skipped to the final paragraph. I always thought she made a poor decision to race pro and attend U of P to begin her post hs career. Just should have gone to a good school with a well developed track program and enjoyed her time. I think she'd be in much better shape and frame of mind today.
agree-show me a runner that has significantly improved after turning pro rather than going to college...
Agee Wilson