Who you got?
Who you got?
team Unruly Bush wrote:
Who you got?
Walmsley by a few minutes.
Walmsey by 2.5-3 minutes at the marathon, maybe less than a minute at the half but his victory isn’t in doubt.
Is there any distance of 800 and up that Walmsey wouldn’t beat the best woman in the world after 4-5 months of specific training? I think Semenya in 2019 form would likely beat him at 800, but that’s it.
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Walmsey by 2.5-3 minutes at the marathon, maybe less than a minute at the half but his victory isn’t in doubt.
Is there any distance of 800 and up that Walmsey wouldn’t beat the best woman in the world after 4-5 months of specific training? I think Semenya in 2019 form would likely beat him at 800, but that’s it.
I think he'd get rocked by Tsegay, Dibaba, Hassan, maybe even the next tier (Houlihan-ish) right now. I know he ran 3:48 back in the day, but age saps the speed. I doubt he can ever run sub 3:50 again. With 4-5 months of training I see him in the 3:55-4:00 range.
birdbeard wrote:
Walmsley by a few minutes.
Why? They have the same PR? Chepngetich in a race she won by 38 seconds in wet conditions. Walmsley in a race where he was surrounded by others trying to hit the exact same time.
team Unruly Bush wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
Walmsley by a few minutes.
Why? They have the same PR? Chepngetich in a race she won by 38 seconds in wet conditions. Walmsley in a race where he was surrounded by others trying to hit the exact same time.
Jim Walmsley's half PR is 1:02:14. He was also training through it (and the 1:04:00) as training for the Trials.
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Last time I checked a half marathon isn’t 12.9 miles.
Ruth will run at least 2:14 in the marathon.
ruth is the truth. wrote:
Ruth will run at least 2:14 in the marathon.
I agree. I also believe that Walmsley could run 2:11-2:12:xx in Chicago or Berlin if he got a few good cracks at it. I don’t think 2:15:05 on the hilly (windy?) Trials course is the end-all be-all for his potential.
birdbeard2 wrote:
I think he'd get rocked by Tsegay, Dibaba, Hassan, maybe even the next tier (Houlihan-ish) right now. I know he ran 3:48 back in the day, but age saps the speed. I doubt he can ever run sub 3:50 again. With 4-5 months of training I see him in the 3:55-4:00 range.
Or he could have developed so much strength, and into such a better athlete, that he’s able to get back to 4:04-4:07 for the mile after a few months of hard speed work. He ran 4:04.25 indoors in college as more of a 5k specialist, which is equivalent to 3:46.4 for 1500. A 4:00 1500 for Walmsley after 4-5 months’ targeted training is a bit of a joke.
team Unruly Bush wrote:
Who you got?
Ruth.
Nah, just kidding. Big Jim by five minutes in a half marathon and nine minutes in the marathon.
Are we doing this on flat road?
How about in the Canyon?
I'm Fake Jim Walmsley and I approve this message.
birdbeard wrote:
team Unruly Bush wrote:
Who you got?
Walmsley by a few minutes.
So you think Walmsley can run a 61 minute half? Give me a break!
birdbeard wrote:
team Unruly Bush wrote:
Why? They have the same PR? Chepngetich in a race she won by 38 seconds in wet conditions. Walmsley in a race where he was surrounded by others trying to hit the exact same time.
Jim Walmsley's half PR is 1:02:14. He was also training through it (and the 1:04:00) as training for the Trials.
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Please link to his official results with 1:02:14. I can't find that anywhere.
team Unruly Bush wrote:
Who you got?
Ruth had male pacers in her 1:04 right? If so, I think it would be close but that Jim would likely win if he trained for it. If she didn't have male pacers, then I think she'd probably win, because it would mean she was equivalent to sub 1:03 in good conditions with male pacers.
I ran 1:02:13 at RnR Arizona Half....but the course was something like 286 meters short.
Bring on the challenge. I'll race her...if she'll come to the Canyon and race me there.
Let me rephrase that.
I'll race her on the roads...her speciality....
But only if she agrees to also race me in the canyon...my speciality....
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Or he could have developed so much strength, and into such a better athlete, that he’s able to get back to 4:04-4:07 for the mile after a few months of hard speed work. He ran 4:04.25 indoors in college as more of a 5k specialist, which is equivalent to 3:46.4 for 1500. A 4:00 1500 for Walmsley after 4-5 months’ targeted training is a bit of a joke.
Maybe. But he is 31 now. Speed is the first thing that goes. I don't think it's realistic to expect him to get within a second or two of his college PR at 31. Most milers peak in the 25-28 range. I might be underselling him a bit, but I do not see him being able to run 3:46-3:50 at this point.
MatthewXCountry wrote:
birdbeard wrote:
Jim Walmsley's half PR is 1:02:14. He was also training through it (and the 1:04:00) as training for the Trials.
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Please link to his official results with 1:02:14. I can't find that anywhere.
He ran it at the Arizona RnR marathon. I guess the course was short.
Two factors in Jim's favor:
(1) he was training through his 1:02 and his 1:04;
(2) he would probably be a decent bit quicker in in a VF or Adios Pro than he is in his Hokas
LRC gets a bit obsessed sometimes. This is one of the best female runners ever. She would have qualified for the men's marathon trials. She's a good bit faster than a lot of men. Women are catching up and closing the gap. The best women in the sport are fast.
Anyways, Jim is a great ultra marathoner. He ran well at the Trials. His 2:15 on that course is pretty strong.
Why are we having this conversation? We can't celebrate a strong run without finding someone to knock?
NERunner00053 wrote:
LRC gets a bit obsessed sometimes. This is one of the best female runners ever. She would have qualified for the men's marathon trials. She's a good bit faster than a lot of men. Women are catching up and closing the gap. The best women in the sport are fast.
Anyways, Jim is a great ultra marathoner. He ran well at the Trials. His 2:15 on that course is pretty strong.
Why are we having this conversation? We can't celebrate a strong run without finding someone to knock?
Totally agree. Big Jim is the best male track and field athlete ever, while Ruth is one of the best marathoners ever. Both are amazing at what they do.