I like their position on drugs and alcohol. Even caffeine is totally unnecessary and I think we'd be better off without any of that stuff or people just feeling good off things that don't cause addiction. But yeah I agree I don't think it's cool to have like a morality police kind of controlling people to a weird standard like sleeves and bare feet and earrings
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Are BYU students expected/pushed to go on a two year mission?
My quick search said that schools "other than BYU" heavy pursuade LDS student/athletes from NOT going on a mission.
It also said that their famous BYU football quarterbacks (Wilson, Young, Detmer, McMahon) did NOT serve missions. This all leads me to believe a mission is optional and that this young woman will not have to serve a two year mission unless she chooses to do so.
And while on the topic, do BYU LDS student athletes have to serve a mission?
I am unfamiliar with the whole mission process so mine are legitimate questions without bias or opinion one way or the other. -
Ezrun wrote:
Controlling people to a high degree is Draconian. If you control a person's dress more than is reasonable then yes is Draconian
Saying you have to wear sleeves or you have to only have modest ear piercing is Draconian. Same thing with saying someone can't be barefoot on grass
Why can't you be sleeveless what is offensive about the bicep? Why can't you pierce your ears the way you want to? Do you really want some sort of Big Brother type scenario telling you how you have to behave Beyond reasonable societal measures?
Kind of weird that you don't see that this is obviously draconian.
You don't know the meaning of draconian. Not at all. -
Missions are optional for females and would only apply to students who were members of the church, so would not be the case for Jenna.
The only recent female runner I recall doing one is Erika Birk Jarvis. -
Ezrun wrote:
Controlling people to a high degree is Draconian. If you control a person's dress more than is reasonable then yes is Draconian
Saying you have to wear sleeves or you have to only have modest ear piercing is Draconian. Same thing with saying someone can't be barefoot on grass
Why can't you be sleeveless what is offensive about the bicep? Why can't you pierce your ears the way you want to? Do you really want some sort of Big Brother type scenario telling you how you have to behave Beyond reasonable societal measures?
Kind of weird that you don't see that this is obviously draconian.
Lol no not draconian.
It's a conservative dress code(and certainly old-fashioned) that one willingly agrees to follow to attend the school.
Don't want to follow a dress code? Don't go to the school. Change your mind once you're already there?Transfer. It's very simple and nobody is being forced to do anything. -
Opinionated guy wrote:
Are BYU students expected/pushed to go on a two year mission?
My quick search said that schools "other than BYU" heavy pursuade LDS student/athletes from NOT going on a mission.
It also said that their famous BYU football quarterbacks (Wilson, Young, Detmer, McMahon) did NOT serve missions. This all leads me to believe a mission is optional and that this young woman will not have to serve a two year mission unless she chooses to do so.
And while on the topic, do BYU LDS student athletes have to serve a mission?
I am unfamiliar with the whole mission process so mine are legitimate questions without bias or opinion one way or the other.
Star athletes, who may make millions in the pro's, get a pass as the prophet will talk to God and get revelation that said athlete does not have to serve a mission. { those BYU pro athletes will send ten percent of million dollar contracts to the Church by way of mandatory tithing.} -
No one is required to serve a mission. Certainly are encouraged to do so and there is some cultural pressure to do so, but is not mandatory. Many BYU students and athletes through out the years have not served and completed their time at school without issue.
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The pressure is immense.
My family member went thru hell out there because he did not serve a mission.
The women are taught at a young age to "only marry a returned missionary"
So a fella doesn't serve a mission ? you don't get a woman, unless you have a payday waiting in the pro's and you get your pick of the litter ! -
Movie critic wrote:
No one is required to serve a mission. Certainly are encouraged to do so and there is some cultural pressure to do so, but is not mandatory. Many BYU students and athletes through out the years have not served and completed their time at school without issue.
Btw, I'm a former member of the bishopric so I know what I'm talking about.
Instead of giving partial truths just speak the truth.
If one doesn't like the Church they should leave, their cult their rules, but don't expect "church answers" from everyone.
BYU has some amazing people, I've met and liked Ed Eyestone very much, huge fan.
But at least try to be honest about the place.
It's for some and not for others. -
malmo wrote:
Ezrun wrote:
Controlling people to a high degree is Draconian. If you control a person's dress more than is reasonable then yes is Draconian
Saying you have to wear sleeves or you have to only have modest ear piercing is Draconian. Same thing with saying someone can't be barefoot on grass
Why can't you be sleeveless what is offensive about the bicep? Why can't you pierce your ears the way you want to? Do you really want some sort of Big Brother type scenario telling you how you have to behave Beyond reasonable societal measures?
Kind of weird that you don't see that this is obviously draconian.
You don't know the meaning of draconian. Not at all.
Use the word Draconian (or lowercase draconian) to describe laws or rules that are really harsh and repressive. In ancient Athens, Draco was a guy who made some seriously strict laws. So rules that are too restrictive — or just plain unfair — are called Draconian.
Seems like you don't know the meaning! Saying you can't be sleeveless and wear a tank top, or have lots of ear piercings, or be barefoot on grass, is clearly overly restrictive by all normal societal standards
Yeah it's true that it's People's Choice to go there and they can leave, but it clearly fits the label of draconian -
It's draconian, most definitions just say look at BYU dress code
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Who would want to go to a college with a morality police and students encouraged to rat each other out. That's North Korea like nonsense
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Weren't there some protests there recently against the fuhrer, I mean Chancellor, over the morality board
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Dress code shmesh code. Every last member of the womens team runs in bikini shorts and high cut navel friendly tank tops. How are the dress code enforcers okay with that if they arent even allowed to wear moderate dresses and earrings on campus?
https://kslsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/byu-cross-country-national-championship-768x432.png
Seems like much ado about nothing. -
seriously??? wrote:
Who would want to go to a college with a morality police and students encouraged to rat each other out. That's North Korea like nonsense
It's quite an honor among the LDS faithful to be accepted into BYU. {not BYU-Idaho}
Most woman and men {returned missionaries of course} are ready to get married amongst the best and the brightest.
The student body is pretty obedient and has some wonderful, caring people who I admire but for many when the Prophet speaks, it's over and done and you do as told. -
I. Rex wrote:
Dress code shmesh code. Every last member of the womens team runs in bikini shorts and high cut navel friendly tank tops. How are the dress code enforcers okay with that if they arent even allowed to wear moderate dresses and earrings on campus?
https://kslsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/byu-cross-country-national-championship-768x432.png
Seems like much ado about nothing.
A regular student could never get away with that. Believe me, the "dress code enforcers" dont like it.
Varsity athletes get to have hair a little longer and many other "breaks"
I think those females in the picture look amazing. -
I. Rex wrote:
Dress code shmesh code. Every last member of the womens team runs in bikini shorts and high cut navel friendly tank tops. How are the dress code enforcers okay with that if they arent even allowed to wear moderate dresses and earrings on campus?
https://kslsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/byu-cross-country-national-championship-768x432.png
Seems like much ado about nothing.
Are you kidding me? I went to BYU. I was born and raised in Provo. Regular students break the dress code ALL THE TIME. The only place the dress code has even been enforced is the testing center and intramural sports. Off campus people wear clothes that violate the honor code all the time.
Everyone is an expert in 2021. -
runnER/DR wrote:
I. Rex wrote:
Dress code shmesh code. Every last member of the womens team runs in bikini shorts and high cut navel friendly tank tops. How are the dress code enforcers okay with that if they arent even allowed to wear moderate dresses and earrings on campus?
https://kslsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/byu-cross-country-national-championship-768x432.png
Seems like much ado about nothing.
Are you kidding me? I went to BYU. I was born and raised in Provo. Regular students break the dress code ALL THE TIME. The only place the dress code has even been enforced is the testing center and intramural sports. Off campus people wear clothes that violate the honor code all the time.
Everyone is an expert in 2021.
Yeah but seriously why would you want to deal with that if you don't have to? I mean the fact that they have dress codes and morality police and encourage students to turn each other in. That's kind of weird
Now maybe the positives outweigh the negatives for a lot of people. And at the end of the day everyone has to live their life as long as it's a free choice and no one's forced to be there
Let's face it 99% of people are there because they're Mormons
I actually think it's cool that they're anti-drugs because drugs and alcohol and even caffeine cause a lot of harm for a lot of people and there's no upside
So I guess if you're a conservative person and you're willing to take the negatives or think that they're not a big deal or don't sort of go against some ingrained sense of the way things should be. Yeah anyway I mean everyone's got to figure out for themselves but the whole idea of a morality police is a little draconian -
Ezrun wrote:
Use the word Draconian (or lowercase draconian) to describe laws or rules that are really harsh and repressive. In ancient Athens, Draco was a guy who made some seriously strict laws. So rules that are too restrictive — or just plain unfair — are called Draconian.
Seems like you don't know the meaning! Saying you can't be sleeveless and wear a tank top, or have lots of ear piercings, or be barefoot on grass, is clearly overly restrictive by all normal societal standards
Yeah it's true that it's People's Choice to go there and they can leave, but it clearly fits the label of draconian
Dress codes do not meet the definitive criteria of "excessively harsh, severe or cruel." You need to learn how to use a dictionary. -
I. Rex wrote:
https://kslsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/byu-cross-country-national-championship-768x432.png
The team is dressed like every other team in the NCAA. How about this for conservative athletic attire?
http://tasbahee.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/4roquaya.jpg
