Seb Coe (Jan. 2021) "I don’t think we've reached that point where world records are being handed out like confetti.&a

Sorry, that should be 1:04:02, not 1:04:04.

If they ban the shoes they'll have to ban doping

Bump.

Coe is a disgrace. shame, i grew up worshipping his running.

2021: W 10000m 29:06.82 (Sifan Hassan, previous record 2016)

The track WRs are entirely due WAVELIGHT pacing. Imagine if Bekele had a pacer run the whole 10k with him....my god.

2021: W 10000m 29:01.03 (Letesenbet Gidey)

Something was needed to reset the old EPO WRs.

Unfortunately, due to the pandemic, Ethiopians this year are probably more rocket fuelled than Bekele at his peak.

Coevett wrote:

Something was needed to reset the old EPO WRs.

Unfortunately, due to the pandemic, Ethiopians this year are probably more rocket fuelled than Bekele at his peak.

I wouldn't use the word " probably".

I don't care if some new guy runs 12:20 in the spring shoes and cheat light

Bekele is the goat

2021: W Half 1:03:43 (Yalemzerf Yehualaw)

Note: the previous record, Yehualaw's half, was not ratified due to a 54m-short course.

2021: W Half 1:02:52 (Letesenbet Gidey)

2021: M Half: 57:31 (Jacob Kiplimo)

Adding Kipchoge to the list. Now six distance WRs in the two years since Coe's confetti statement, 15 in the last 5 years.

2018: M Half 58:18 (Abraham Kiptum), previous record 2010
2018: M Marathon 2:01:39 (Eliud Kipchoge), previous record 2014
2019 M Half 58:01 (Geoffrey Kamworor)
2019: W Marathon 2:14:04 (Brigid Kosgei), previous record 2003
2020: W 5000m 14:06.62 (Letesenbet Gidey), previous record 2008
2020: M 5000m 12:35.36 (Joshua Cheptegei), previous record 2003
2020: M 10000m 26:11.00 (Joshua Cheptegei), previous record 2005
2020: W Half 1:04:31 (Ababel Yeshaneh), previous record 2017
2020: M Half 57:32 (Kibiwott Kandie)
2021: W Half 1:04:02 (Ruth Chepngetich)
2021: W 10000m 29:06.82 (Sifan Hassan, previous record 2016)
2021: W 10000m 29:01.03 (Letesenbet Gidey)
2021: W Half 1:02:52 (Letesenbet Gidey)
2021: M Half: 57:31 (Jacob Kiplimo)
2022: M Marathon 2:01:09 (Eliud Kipchoge)

Not one world record in non-barrier events 100m to 1500m, either gender since 2016.

What does the evidence tell us:

* You all are over-stating the shoes since great shoes have not aided performance 100m to 1500m.

* Is there a 2000m to Marathon to ultra endurance drug that is not detected by modern labs? I doubt it. We would see long distance records falling in swimming 800m freestyle and longer (200m freestyle is nearly exactly equal to 800m run), and other endurance sports.

* Is T&F turning a blind eye to 2000m to ultra athletes but only testing 100m to 1500m athletes? No.

We cannot do real scientific analysis in T&F. When governments give their reports on economy, a government will have thousands to millions points of data. When governments approve a drug, thousands to millions have sampled a drug. All any of us in T&F are doing is bro science. My best guess: Better athletes are racing 2000m to ultras than in previous years. It is not drugs because if it were drugs, the drugs would help 100m to 1500m athletes. It is not shoes because if it were shoes, the shoes would help 100m to 1500m athletes.

You overlook that the drugs used for speed and strength events will not be the same as used for endurance events. Secondly, doping has to be more subtle now, to evade testing, so the improvements are likely to be incremental rather than dramatic. Doping will be present in all events but not necessarily used as it was in the past when testing was less efficient. But it is still playing catch-up.

I propose one more possibility: Some runners come along who beat those records without the shoes and cannot repeat those times in the shoes. I think this is possible because physics. Unless the shoes contain some kind of motor, they cannot actually provide any power not coming from the runner anyway. All they can do is simulate more efficient running. I really think the super shoes have a sort of mystique right now but eventually they will be beaten.

Which says all someone needs to know about you.

It says I believe he is another doped elite runner. Did you get that bit?