Britain's Beth Potter runs road world record 14:41 5km

I genuinely hope it isn’t short but there is no dispute over the change in start line. Either Marc ran long or Beth ran short. I think all world records require the course to be reassessed.

Doubt they will remeasure. There were no drug testers there and not the right level of officials to verify a world record as it wasn't expected. Not sure if they will remeasure for a British record or not. Someone is saying it was a minimum 20 seconds short. No way it was over 100m short. There have been far too many races there for an error of that size. I train there regularly and have pretty consistent splits and distances on GPS. The only place GPS could be out is the bottom bend near the start as it is very tight. The rest of the course is straight lines and a long wide bend at the top. Would be genuinely very surprised it is turned out to be short but if so it will be by a small amount.

Looking through the Strava uploads from people who were in Potter's race, almost all of them have a GPS measurement of around 5.1+.

And the segment seems to tie up with the times people run i.e. people who ran 14:44 also got 14:44 for the segment called something like Podium 5k 15th September 2015. That segment apparently measures 5.19km according to Strava. What is interesting is that the watch-measured GPS for most runners is around 20 seconds slower than their actual time, exactly as you'd expect on a lapped course.

Whatever happened at this race, it wasn't a short course.

Have you ran on or seen the course? It's a 1km ish pancake flat tarmac cycle racing loop.

Quote]Lasse Viren wrote:

People saying it has to be re-measured? How? Surely start/finish lines were taken down after the even.[/quote]

Easy to remeasure if they want to. The start grid has been painted on the tarmac since last year and the finish line has been painted on for longer.

runderun wrote:

Looking through the Strava uploads from people who were in Potter's race, almost all of them have a GPS measurement of around 5.1+.

And the segment seems to tie up with the times people run i.e. people who ran 14:44 also got 14:44 for the segment called something like Podium 5k 15th September 2015. That segment apparently measures 5.19km according to Strava. What is interesting is that the watch-measured GPS for most runners is around 20 seconds slower than their actual time, exactly as you'd expect on a lapped course.

Whatever happened at this race, it wasn't a short course.

New asics shoes maybe worth about 20 seconds over 5k?

600mRunner wrote:

runderun wrote:

Looking through the Strava uploads from people who were in Potter's race, almost all of them have a GPS measurement of around 5.1+.

And the segment seems to tie up with the times people run i.e. people who ran 14:44 also got 14:44 for the segment called something like Podium 5k 15th September 2015. That segment apparently measures 5.19km according to Strava. What is interesting is that the watch-measured GPS for most runners is around 20 seconds slower than their actual time, exactly as you'd expect on a lapped course.

Whatever happened at this race, it wasn't a short course.

New asics shoes maybe worth about 20 seconds over 5k?

at that kind of pace..

Flat Stanley is right, the finish line has never moved and the start grid has been painted since last year - although this is what I think has moved about 20m along the track. this wouldn’t be worth more than 3 seconds, so I hope that I’m wrong and that all times stand because of how many stand out runs there were.

Runderun, the segment is right, however you don’t have to run the whole segment to register a time. If you ran 380m at your local track in 60s, you’d register 60s for the 400m segment there, try it, it works!

It’s worth looking at the start of the segment from the 2015 to the start positions last night, know it’s not perfect but their is a difference

Brownlee ran 13.52 compared with 13.46 last year and has also run 14.01 at Armagh so his times appear reasonable.

I think the point is being missed. The race started in a different place to the summer event (where Marc ran the record). They both can’t be 5km. One of them is not a British 5km record.

I know people who ran are defending their PBS from last night, and I get it. But, something doesn’t look right.

I can't believe the British have not selected Beth Potter for the Olympic Triathlon Womens' Team. She is also reigning European Triathlon Champion.

So she will sit out the Olympics. Unless she tries to qualify in the 5000m or 10000m.

She is already a Rio Olympian in the 10000m. You would think the Brits would be putting everything into supporting such a talented athlete, but it seems not.

Crazy.

nbzeik wrote:

Are we handing Potter Olympic Gold? She dismantles Muir as Scotland’s best? Come on, put your money where your mouth is... course is either short or she’s a doper.

The reality is its over 30 seconds short of the track world record. There are just not that many elite 5km on the roads and it was a soft record. Add 15/20 seconds for the shoes and its not that surprising a time.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

nbzeik wrote:

Are we handing Potter Olympic Gold? She dismantles Muir as Scotland’s best? Come on, put your money where your mouth is... course is either short or she’s a doper.

The reality is its over 30 seconds short of the track world record. There are just not that many elite 5km on the roads and it was a soft record. Add 15/20 seconds for the shoes and its not that surprising a time.

If she were Kenyan we know what you would be saying, going from 15:24 to 14:41

Hypocrite much?

Nopesirnotme wrote:

I think the point is being missed. The race started in a different place to the summer event (where Marc ran the record). They both can’t be 5km. One of them is not a British 5km record.

I know people who ran are defending their PBS from last night, and I get it. But, something doesn’t look right.

Any evidence of this? Someone above posted they ran it and its the same and you have put nothing to contradict that.

trailchick2 wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:

The reality is its over 30 seconds short of the track world record. There are just not that many elite 5km on the roads and it was a soft record. Add 15/20 seconds for the shoes and its not that surprising a time.

If she were Kenyan we know what you would be saying, going from 15:24 to 14:41

Hypocrite much?

No, I would say she was doping if we'd had 60 top athletes busted in the past few years or her coach or agent had a doping record.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

trailchick2 wrote:

If she were Kenyan we know what you would be saying, going from 15:24 to 14:41

Hypocrite much?

No, I would say she was doping if we'd had 60 top athletes busted in the past few years or her coach or agent had a doping record.

The ratio of serious/elite Kenyan runners to British is way higher than 60:1

So 1 British doper for every 60 Kenyan would put the percentage of British dopers per capita higher than Kenyans under your model.

Beth Porter 2021:

https://www.strava.com/activities/3884529629/overview

Nathan Jones August 2020:

https://www.strava.com/activities/3884502928/overview

Start and end look the same at a glance so if they're different it would have to be within a few meters at most?

Sorry, just realized I posted her 2020 race. Disregard that.

Here's a 2021 race, finish line looks like it moved up a little, start line may have moved as well:

https://www.strava.com/activities/5063740178/overview