Athing Mu 4:16.06 Today!!!

Wow. A few of you guys really underestimated her. I expected a 4:15 while you obviously expected something over 4:20. Do you not realize how good she is? You think you are complementing her but you are really insulting her ability. I have seen how easy she looks while running. I think she can be the future US record holder in 400 and 800. I think she can run 4:05 if she ends up focusing on the 1500 but that would be a dumb move.

I never underestimated her. It’s just an early season dual meet against A&M’s rival, Texas. The goal was obviously to get the win and the 5 points, rest, then go run the 4x4. Mu also picked up another school record in the process. No doubt she can run a lot faster if needed.

So your expectation is that she could have run maybe 4:10 if in a real race? That is why nobody is excited about a 4:16. It would be like her running 1:59 looking great. It is just an average day for her.

It's the 62 close in a 4:15 that tells you she is nowhere near tapped out at that event.

Agree - and of course no need to tap out for a dual meet. Just get the win as easy as possible and move on. Probably won’t run it again this season. It’s just exciting for the sport to see someone so talented.

Yes and with range. Again, many people who are world-class at the 400 are not good at the 1500. For a young prodigy training for the 400/800 to run a casual 4:16 with seemingly a ton left in the tank is exciting for how she can translate that 400 speed to the 800. For an equivalent (but not quite) if a freshman Devin Dixon ran 45.1/1:45 and then dropped a 3:45 with a 54 second last lap in his opening meet, I'd be pretty excited about him in the 800.

What if he ran 44/1:42 and then dropped a 3:53? I would be way more excited.

So if you had made a prediction for Mu's 800m pb or international achievements at the end of 2021 or in 2022, would you revise such an estimate with the additional data point of 4:16 with 62 final lap? If yes, in which way, by how much etc.?

I think that the people less excited about that result don't want to underestimate her potential. They simply think that the 1500m result does not add so much to the expectation's already formed.

Jo72 wrote:

So if you had made a prediction for Mu's 800m pb or international achievements at the end of 2021 or in 2022, would you revise such an estimate with the additional data point of 4:16 with 62 final lap? If yes, in which way, by how much etc.?

I think that the people less excited about that result don't want to underestimate her potential. They simply think that the 1500m result does not add so much to the expectation's already formed.

I Agree. But most of them seem to add the caveat that she should not waste her time with a 1500 ever again. That seems odd. Why wouldn't a distance leaning website want to see what a once in a lifetime American can do in a serious 1500? Do they think her legs will fall off?

I know Mu. She will take some serious shots at the 1500. It is in her wiring. She likes challenges and is not afraid of failure. On top of that, she is in the right program to do it.

I’d upgrade her a second or two. She’s got great speed but I was less sure about her having much strength. Running 1:58 off of 49-50 pt is just not very impressive 800-wise. Myself and many other 800-1500 types men/women could run around that time with only 52-55 type 400 speed. This 1500 to me shows that that 800 PB is going to be revised soon. Many of her best events/performances had come in the 400 and 600 except but I think that will change and we’ll see a 1:56-7 soon.

A 416 1500 M for a girl is more like 350 for a guy. Anyway she's been running this distance for a while since at least 5 years ago

https://youtu.be/OQEUiko38FM

yeah but with the time differential from first to last lap, it be like if a 3:50 guy closed well under 60.

life is weird wrote:

A 416 1500 M for a girl is more like 350 for a guy. Anyway she's been running this distance for a while since at least 5 years ago

https://youtu.be/OQEUiko38FM

Yes and she was running much slower then. It’s like a 3:45 in my eyes but with a 55-second last lap out of someone who had the equivalent of a 45 second PB for 400. Now that she’s upped her training/endurance, big things are coming in the 800. I’m from Mass and if you were strong and could run 1:23 in the 600 you weren’t setting your sights on breaking 2 outdoors, you were going after 1:56-7. Clearly her speed was carrying her through in the past.

Man, only LetsRun can truly take the wind out of a nice performance.

4:16 would have made her the 18th best 1500 meter runner in the NCAA the last year we held NCAAs -- 2019 -- and she did it in a dual meet, focusing mainly on the 400/800, in the beginning of the season. If she'd ran that time at NCAAs, she would have almost scored. I just don't see how that isn't impressive. The 2nd best 400 meter runner and best 800 meter runner in the NCAA is probably also a top 3-5 1500m runner. That's solid.

For perspective, Sinclaire Johnson (1st) and Jessica Hull (2nd) went into NCAAs last year with 4:09.50+ SBs. Mu could probably run about 4:09-4:11 in a bigger meet this year and could potentially be the top seed going into NCAAs if she wanted. That's dope.

Johnson and Hull ran 4:06 at NCAAs and closed in 62/63 respectively.

You need perspective. This is like Devin Dixon running 3:46. I would be disappointed if didn't run 3:42.

Men are women wrote:

You need perspective. This is like Devin Dixon running 3:46. I would be disappointed if didn't run 3:42.

You'd be likely to be disappointed...

i am "excited" in this thread.

if 44 low split d dix cracked 4 in the mile i'd be "fully losing my shxt"

Men are women wrote:

You need perspective. This is like Devin Dixon running 3:46. I would be disappointed if didn't run 3:42.

I think it'd be more like 3:43 based on the last few years of NCAA qualifiers. If Dixon ran 3:43 in the first race of the season in a dual meet I'd be pretty jazzed about his potential.

wut dis? wrote:

That's great and all but that would be equal to Hall not running a 52 but running a 56 and the crowd going wild. Wth?

56.00 is under 1000 points on the IAAF Tables (old 2011 but ok for this level of comparison). 4:16 is 1080; a mere 990 is 4:28. Sorry for those unimpressed but these those two marks are not in the same ballpark. And for a dual meet first collegiate race I rate it pretty good, in part because you have to run the 1500 in a much different manner than an 800. And she is just building up to an outdoor season, especially with the Olympics as a possible peak meet, not some April dual meet.