If Chauvin is found not guilty, are people justified in rioting?

If you want to call what he was doing something else when he was placed on the ground flopping around and required three police officers attention, let us know what YOU call that.

So you think the cops should have just written him a ticket for using fake money and let an impaired person operate a vehicle? I'm actually disappointed that the other two in his vehicle weren't also arrested.

There would have been know escalation if he would have showed his hands and listened and done what he was asked to do.

clapback wrote:

If what he did was legal of course there should be outrage. Agents of the government shouldn’t be able to treat citizens that way.

A post with some perspective. Sorry, but we live in a society that is not completely on board with Chauvin's actions being legal.

Just me wrote:

Not CNN wrote:

Obviously you haven't seen all of the video footage.

I have. I recognize that they previously tried to put him in a police car. If you can kneel on someone's neck for 9+ minutes, you can put him in a police car. I'd rather they shove him in a car than kill him.

But they couldn't get him in the car because he was resisting and cuts his mouth - so they called an ambulance. Is calling and ambulance and restraining a drugged up person from causing further harm to themselves while waiting for the ambulance the same as killing him? IF GF doesn't die that day, are the cops guilty of anything?

Let it Rupp wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The doctor now giving evidence, who tried to revive Floyd at the hospital, said there was no evidence of a drug overdose. Or a heart attack.

The autopsy showed otherwise.

It didn't. You didn't understand what it said. The presence of drugs does not constitute an overdose. The autopsies said "cardio pulmonary arrest" - which is not a heart attack and isn't a drug overdose. Both concluded homicide.

totorious wrote:

clapback wrote:

If what he did was legal of course there should be outrage. Agents of the government shouldn’t be able to treat citizens that way.

A post with some perspective. Sorry, but we live in a society that is not completely on board with Chauvin's actions being legal.

So how should the cops get a resisting person into the back of a vehicle?

How should cops handle a drugged up massive man that is flopping around on the pavement?

'Flopping around'?! How dangerous is that! "Let's suffocate the s.o.b to death!"

Not CNN wrote:

Just me wrote:

I have. I recognize that they previously tried to put him in a police car. If you can kneel on someone's neck for 9+ minutes, you can put him in a police car. I'd rather they shove him in a car than kill him.

But they couldn't get him in the car because he was resisting and cuts his mouth - so they called an ambulance. Is calling and ambulance and restraining a drugged up person from causing further harm to themselves while waiting for the ambulance the same as killing him? IF GF doesn't die that day, are the cops guilty of anything?

So the police were trying to stop George Floyd causing further harm to himself - by killing him? You're unbelievable.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Not CNN wrote:

If you want to call what he was doing something else when he was placed on the ground flopping around and required three police officers attention, let us know what YOU call that.

So you think the cops should have just written him a ticket for using fake money and let an impaired person operate a vehicle? I'm actually disappointed that the other two in his vehicle weren't also arrested.

There would have been know escalation if he would have showed his hands and listened and done what he was asked to do.

'Flopping around'?! How dangerous is that! "Let's suffocate the s.o.b to death!"

and you would be the one who would blame the cops for not restraining a person having a seizure, or reaction to drugs and flops around and smashes their face into the pavement. Do you have Monday morning quarterbacks in your country?

Not CNN wrote:

totorious wrote:

A post with some perspective. Sorry, but we live in a society that is not completely on board with Chauvin's actions being legal.

So how should the cops get a resisting person into the back of a vehicle?

How should cops handle a drugged up massive man that is flopping around on the pavement?

Maybe the police should let trained medical people handle that situation? Instead of killing him.

Armstronglivs wrote:

So the police were trying to stop George Floyd causing further harm to himself - by killing him? You're unbelievable.

Yes! That is often why restraints are often used. I'm sure you will hear about this as the trial goes on.

Not CNN wrote:

totorious wrote:

A post with some perspective. Sorry, but we live in a society that is not completely on board with Chauvin's actions being legal.

So how should the cops get a resisting person into the back of a vehicle?

How should cops handle a drugged up massive man that is flopping around on the pavement?

Some way other than kneeling on his neck for the better part of 10 minutes. Come up with a new approach and we can evaluate that.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Not CNN wrote:

So how should the cops get a resisting person into the back of a vehicle?

How should cops handle a drugged up massive man that is flopping around on the pavement?

Maybe the police should let trained medical people handle that situation? Instead of killing him.

Yes, that is why they called the ambulance, and most people don't die while being restrained.

Not CNN wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

'Flopping around'?! How dangerous is that! "Let's suffocate the s.o.b to death!"

and you would be the one who would blame the cops for not restraining a person having a seizure, or reaction to drugs and flops around and smashes their face into the pavement. Do you have Monday morning quarterbacks in your country?

No, I wouldn't. It wasn't a job for the police but for medical professionals. They are less likely to murder someone.

totorious wrote:

Not CNN wrote:

So how should the cops get a resisting person into the back of a vehicle?

How should cops handle a drugged up massive man that is flopping around on the pavement?

Some way other than kneeling on his neck for the better part of 10 minutes. Come up with a new approach and we can evaluate that.

Okay, but why change an approach that has had one death in how many years, and that death had a subject that was loaded to the gills with an extremely dangerous drug.

Not CNN wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Maybe the police should let trained medical people handle that situation? Instead of killing him.

Yes, that is why they called the ambulance, and most people don't die while being restrained.

Bingo. They die when a policeman keeps his knee on their neck for 9'29". But most policemen don't do that.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Not CNN wrote:

and you would be the one who would blame the cops for not restraining a person having a seizure, or reaction to drugs and flops around and smashes their face into the pavement. Do you have Monday morning quarterbacks in your country?

No, I wouldn't. It wasn't a job for the police but for medical professionals. They are less likely to murder someone.

Exactly! But for EMS to work on someone they have to be subdued, right?

Not CNN wrote:

totorious wrote:

Some way other than kneeling on his neck for the better part of 10 minutes. Come up with a new approach and we can evaluate that.

Okay, but why change an approach that has had one death in how many years, and that death had a subject that was loaded to the gills with an extremely dangerous drug.

Police know they can only use force that is proportionate. No "approach" can be used if its effect is of excessive force in the circumstances - as it was. Police have testified to that effect. They know better than you what is the right approach.

Not CNN wrote:

totorious wrote:

Some way other than kneeling on his neck for the better part of 10 minutes. Come up with a new approach and we can evaluate that.

Okay, but why change an approach that has had one death in how many years, and that death had a subject that was loaded to the gills with an extremely dangerous drug.

Because, as I said in my first post, our society is not completely on board with kneeling on unconscious civilians. That's why there will be unrest if it is found to be legal.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Not CNN wrote:

Yes, that is why they called the ambulance, and most people don't die while being restrained.

Bingo. They die when a policeman keeps his knee on their neck for 9'29". But most policemen don't do that.

Most criminals don't act like GF did or abuse drugs like he did. The average criminal knows they are done once handcuffed and don't resist going into a police car, so a long restraint typically isn't needed.