If Chauvin is found not guilty, are people justified in rioting?

The Unkle wrote:

yessirskiii wrote:

So you point out one thing that I said as disprove of the US having pretty awful actions toward it’s own citizens and others abroad. I can’t say I applaud you.

You ever heard of Charles Coughlin? The Christian Front? America First Comittee? SS St.Louis?

Of course I have heard of all those. Movies have been made. Many stories written.

No movies about all the other Eastern Europeans who were also being kept out.

You heard of AIPAC? The USS Liberty? Jonathan Pollard? The Lavon Affair?

Now your point is that America isn’t as bad as we think by pointing out more bad thing America has done. Good one.

Also, you want to know what contributed to the anti Eastern European sentiment? It was because a lot of them were jewish!

Before 1910 European immigrants could come virtually unrestricted.

I notice you don’t say anything about the Chinese or Japanese immigration policy....

you want to live where?! wrote:

https://www.pbs.org/wnet/chasing-the-dream/stories/white-rioting-odds/

I just finished "Why We Can't Wait" by MLK Jr. It was a very phenomenal read and all I can say is that he was the GOAT because he was right, honorable, dignified, and humane. He made the white rioters look like morons and the world saw them for what they were. It is interesting... outside of declared war, there are very few times when violence results in anything other than a fascist regime. From Cuba to Cambodia to France, violent uprisings just bring on more violence. The key is peaceful protest. The world looks down on violence. Somehow MLK Jr. knew this and he was proven to be right. The racists retreated to their caves. I am worried now because the violence we saw last summer seems to have brought a lot of them back out of hiding (or even ignited the wick of evil within them).

I pray for peace, justice, and love every single day, and I try to live my life in a way that spreads the message. Love your neighbor.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Not CNN wrote:

Nope, but not going in the police vehicle and not listening to commands is. Thus the reason he needed to be restrained, right?

Exactly why does someone need to be restrained who is not threatening anyone or posing a danger to anyone and whose only alleged offence of passing a dud bill can be met with a fine? Oh, I forgot - he's a black man and when a white cop says" jump" he has to jump. Yep, as you say, he has to abide by their "commands". Another variation of -"you looking at me, boy?" Didn't matter that he kept saying "Sorry" and "sir". He obviously needed a lesson.

If GF would have took a seat in the police vehicle then he would not have need to be restrained.

For you to continue to deny this simple fact is so typical of you! When they put GF on the ground - did he, or did he not, lay on the ground calmly? ANSWER THAT QUESTION, PLEASE.

In Minnesota...

Resisting arrest is a gross misdemeanor punishable by no more than one year in prison, a $3,000 fine, or both if the act or threat was forceful or violent but did not cause death, substantial bodily injury, or substantial property damage. Otherwise, misdemeanor resisting arrest carries a maximum sentence of 90 days, a $1,000 fine, or both.

I don't see "punishable by death" as a legal punishment.

This is all democrat do; Collect unemployment, Burn down businesses in poor minority neighborhoods, tip over police cars, destroy the places where THEY live and blame the mythical "systemic" racism that justifies all of their crimes and looting.

This is what happens when there is no DAD in the house...........

Just me wrote:

In Minnesota...

Resisting arrest is a gross misdemeanor punishable by no more than one year in prison, a $3,000 fine, or both if the act or threat was forceful or violent but did not cause death, substantial bodily injury, or substantial property damage. Otherwise, misdemeanor resisting arrest carries a maximum sentence of 90 days, a $1,000 fine, or both.

I don't see "punishable by death" as a legal punishment.

Exactly, and how many people die while being arrested or restrained that are NOT so messed up on drugs that if they were found alone dead, untouched, that the cause of death would be ruled an overdose?

I don't know. I think both of us would be hard pressed to find that statistic. That is no excuse for Chauvin to act the way he did. Why must you kneel on someones neck for 9+ minutes instead of handcuffing him and putting him in the car?

I don't expect cops to be all nicey nice and whatever. But there's no justification for Chauvin. The victim being on drugs makes no difference. It creates precedent for police officers and citizens to treat those on drugs significantly differently (in a worse way). If people are high on drugs they're not mentally in the right state. Police treating them poorly will not make the situation any better.

Just me wrote:

I don't know. I think both of us would be hard pressed to find that statistic. That is no excuse for Chauvin to act the way he did. Why must you kneel on someones neck for 9+ minutes instead of handcuffing him and putting him in the car?

I don't expect cops to be all nicey nice and whatever. But there's no justification for Chauvin. The victim being on drugs makes no difference. It creates precedent for police officers and citizens to treat those on drugs significantly differently (in a worse way). If people are high on drugs they're not mentally in the right state. Police treating them poorly will not make the situation any better.

Obviously you haven't seen all of the video footage.

Mr. Tree wrote:

curious.. wrote:

Thoughts?

It amazes me this is even a question. Obviously the answer is no. It wouldn't matter if Derek Chauvin and the other officers drove up and all pulled their guns and emptied their clips simultaneously into Floyd, rioting would be neither justified nor a sensible reaction. How is stealing from Persons A-Y justice for Person Z's crime? This seems like logic/ethics for 5 year olds to me.

My own prediction is that he will be found not guilty of at least the highest crimes, and no matter the result, there will be some commotion. The low lifes out there will use any excuse to behave like animals.

This is spot on.

Rioting? So we can destroy an innocent bystander's home or business? Nope.

"The prosecution first has to show beyond a reasonable doubt that Floyd’s death was caused by Chauvin’s actions.

"But the autopsy report shows that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system and had a serious heart problem, and that Chauvin’s neck hold did not in fact cause damage to Floyd’s trachea (windpipe)."

Mr. PLant wrote:

Mr. Tree wrote:

It amazes me this is even a question. Obviously the answer is no. It wouldn't matter if Derek Chauvin and the other officers drove up and all pulled their guns and emptied their clips simultaneously into Floyd, rioting would be neither justified nor a sensible reaction. How is stealing from Persons A-Y justice for Person Z's crime? This seems like logic/ethics for 5 year olds to me.

My own prediction is that he will be found not guilty of at least the highest crimes, and no matter the result, there will be some commotion. The low lifes out there will use any excuse to behave like animals.

This is spot on.

Agreed. Spot on.

When he was on the ground he wasn't resisting. But you fail to answer the question of why did they need to restrain him when he wasn't attacking or even threatening anyone. Why did he need to be put in the police vehicle? He had supposedly passed off a dud bill, for f*ck sake, a minor offence that at the most would incur a fine. A virtual parking infringement. The police escalated the situation from the moment they approached him, first threatening him with a pistol, and then ultimately killing him.

Not CNN wrote:

Just me wrote:

In Minnesota...

Resisting arrest is a gross misdemeanor punishable by no more than one year in prison, a $3,000 fine, or both if the act or threat was forceful or violent but did not cause death, substantial bodily injury, or substantial property damage. Otherwise, misdemeanor resisting arrest carries a maximum sentence of 90 days, a $1,000 fine, or both.

I don't see "punishable by death" as a legal punishment.

Exactly, and how many people die while being arrested or restrained that are NOT so messed up on drugs that if they were found alone dead, untouched, that the cause of death would be ruled an overdose?

The doctor who tried to revive Floyd at the hospital said there was no medical evidence of either a heart attack or a drug overdose when he arrived. He was murdered.

no....... wrote:

"The prosecution first has to show beyond a reasonable doubt that Floyd’s death was caused by Chauvin’s actions.

"But the autopsy report shows that Floyd had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system and had a serious heart problem, and that Chauvin’s neck hold did not in fact cause damage to Floyd’s trachea (windpipe)."

The doctor now giving evidence, who tried to revive Floyd at the hospital, said there was no evidence of a drug overdose. Or a heart attack.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Not CNN wrote:

Exactly, and how many people die while being arrested or restrained that are NOT so messed up on drugs that if they were found alone dead, untouched, that the cause of death would be ruled an overdose?

The doctor who tried to revive Floyd at the hospital said there was no medical evidence of either a heart attack or a drug overdose when he arrived. He was murdered.

Interesting! Can you share the transcript that this doctor says and knows the cause of death was murder?

Not CNN wrote:

Just me wrote:

I don't know. I think both of us would be hard pressed to find that statistic. That is no excuse for Chauvin to act the way he did. Why must you kneel on someones neck for 9+ minutes instead of handcuffing him and putting him in the car?

I don't expect cops to be all nicey nice and whatever. But there's no justification for Chauvin. The victim being on drugs makes no difference. It creates precedent for police officers and citizens to treat those on drugs significantly differently (in a worse way). If people are high on drugs they're not mentally in the right state. Police treating them poorly will not make the situation any better.

Obviously you haven't seen all of the video footage.

I have. I recognize that they previously tried to put him in a police car. If you can kneel on someone's neck for 9+ minutes, you can put him in a police car. I'd rather they shove him in a car than kill him.

no....... wrote:

Mr. PLant wrote:

This is spot on.

Agreed. Spot on.

So you are both going to behave like animals?

Not CNN wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The doctor who tried to revive Floyd at the hospital said there was no medical evidence of either a heart attack or a drug overdose when he arrived. He was murdered.

Interesting! Can you share the transcript that this doctor says and knows the cause of death was murder?

If Floyd's death wasn't a heart attack or a drug overdose, as the doctor has indicated, what's left Einstein? Oh, yeah - this is a murder trial.