[quote]yessirskiii wrote:
the US also didn’t allow in many Jews during the pre WW2 and WW2 era prosecution in Europe. Anti-Semitism was pretty well tolerated until Pearl Harbor.
Oh, for Chrissakes. Many peoples were not allowed in at that time
[quote]yessirskiii wrote:
the US also didn’t allow in many Jews during the pre WW2 and WW2 era prosecution in Europe. Anti-Semitism was pretty well tolerated until Pearl Harbor.
Oh, for Chrissakes. Many peoples were not allowed in at that time
This is every bit as bad as Chauvin, And I would say worse, a Male knocks down a Female and I see a bunch of young men running towards the attack, thinking they are Good Samaritans coming to the aid of the girl, but Shockingly they join in the beatings, With Role Models like this is it really surprising cops do awful things on occasion. The people of a community should LEAD BY EXAMPLE, and Cops should Follow the behavior of those in the Community they work in, Chauvin could argue he is a product of his environment, I think he was wrong, but cops don't always confront Model Citizens, and like most people you learn how to behave by emulating the people you are around, and not all people are good role models for cops, If we ALL truly believe in EQUALITY it is unfair to expect Cops to behave any better than the People in this incident. We Should all be judged Equally do NOT expect The President to behave any better than any other Person, So If Biden or Trump gather 20 or more of their buddies to attack someone on the Street People should not treat them any better or worse than they do these young American Men.
The Unkle wrote:
[quote]yessirskiii wrote:
the US also didn’t allow in many Jews during the pre WW2 and WW2 era prosecution in Europe. Anti-Semitism was pretty well tolerated until Pearl Harbor.
Oh, for Chrissakes. Many peoples were not allowed in at that time
So you point out one thing that I said as disprove of the US having pretty awful actions toward it’s own citizens and others abroad. I can’t say I applaud you.
You ever heard of Charles Coughlin? The Christian Front? America First Comittee? SS St.Louis?
Your leftist indoctrination has taught you well, you have done a very good job of memorizing and regurgitating stereotypical radical leftist talking points in order to mount your ideological argument. What you have done, and what is typical of radical leftists to do, is to take the worst moments in US history to create a distorted perception of the US and characterize it as evil, when it clearly isn't. Everybody knows this, and this is why the US lets in more immigrants than any other country - why are people literally dying trying to migrate to the US if it is evil and horrible.
If you want to argue that US history is not perfect (compared to modern standards of morality), then I would agree with you because that is a pretty common sense belief to have. But is the US really any more immoral compared to the rest of the world? Absolutely not. Give me a list of modern superpowers who did not kill indigenous peoples, did not partake in slavery, did not partake in genocide, did not partake in imperialism, did not partake in wars. You can't and you know that, but there is a reason you choose to single out the US, and that is because of jealousy and resentment and the need to tear down what is good in order to make yourself feel better, or you were just brainwashed by liberal professors.
Who are you comparing the US to in terms of morality? China? Japan? Russia? England? Germany? Are any of these modern superpowers "clean countries" by your standards, if so I would love to hear your arguments as to why Germany or Russia is a clean country compared to the US? Are you going to compare the US to the Middle East or Africa where women are often second-class citizens and gays and lesbians are murdered legally? How about South America, where citizens are either dying trying to migrate or are human-trafficking child-slaves over the US border. You obviously have a very skewed view of human history if you think the US is any worse than the rest of the planet as a whole.
The Unkle wrote:
Not CNN wrote:
When did Chauvin ever pull his gun on Floyd? I think you have the wrong cop.
Just imagine if Floyd would have not resisted? Why resist arrest over a funny money fine?
Begging for your life as a guy kneels on your neck for nine plus minutes is "resisting" is it?
Nope, but not going in the police vehicle and not listening to commands is. Thus the reason he needed to be restrained, right?
You’re literally putting words in my mouth. I never said the rest of the world is clean either, all I’m saying is give the US the amount of time that England or China has to spread their influence across the world and you’re looking at a pretty dangerous country.
I’m not a leftist. I’m a moderate. I have studied US and world history. I find it very ironic you spend a whole paragraph talking about “leftist indoctrination” when I’m not a leftist.
Do you realize the irony in that? Do you? Its almost as if there’s right wing indoctrination happening as we speak....
Anyways, I am an arbitrator. I see the facts for what they are and present them. Neither left nor right, neither democratic nor republican.
I find your lack of faith....disturbing
And before you say I’m not a moderate, I was hired at my current job in part due to my nonpartisanship, I have taken every political test known to man and every result has said moderate, every job interview and firm I have come in contact with agrees.
curious.. wrote:
Thoughts?
Um....rioting is never really justified. No, but I do think he will and should be found guilty of something. That jerk overstepped a lot and killed someone. He should be in jail for a while. The question is, even if he is found guilty will idiots still hit the streets to destroy poor neighborhoods just to help democrat politicians? Justice will be appropriately served, this media pressure is the real crime...it just drives hate and creates the chance for more awful occurances like the Floyd incident and violent riots that followed. When do we put CNN anchors in jail for inciting violence?
Lead Foil Hat III wrote:
curious.. wrote:
Thoughts?
Um....rioting is never really justified. No, but I do think he will and should be found guilty of something. That jerk overstepped a lot and killed someone. He should be in jail for a while. The question is, even if he is found guilty will idiots still hit the streets to destroy poor neighborhoods just to help democrat politicians? Justice will be appropriately served, this media pressure is the real crime...it just drives hate and creates the chance for more awful occurances like the Floyd incident and violent riots that followed. When do we put CNN anchors in jail for inciting violence?
Flipping through the channels this weekend it was interesting to notice what each station called the trial. If I recall correctly it's called "The Derek Chauvin Trial" on C-Span and just live and fully recorded sessions of the trial. CNN had a special called "The Killing of George Floyd" and I believe MSNBC called the snippets "The Murder of George Floyd" This seems like grounds for legal action, but I'll let the boards expert verify if the media can have a slander case applied to them.
A resounding YES! If the systemic racist judicial system finds him innocent or anything less than murder, then its totally justified. Get that horse crap out of here!
You do come across as Leftist in all due respect. As am I.
That’s because the American perspective of left, moderate, and right is far different from the global perspective. I am what a European would consider a moderate, which to Americans must be a communist fascist anarchist
There Will Be Blood wrote:
Don't you remember all of the white people rioting after OJ Simpson was found not guilty?
Of course there will be rioting when he is found not guilty. People need free drugs from pharmacies, free booze from liquor stores, and free TVs from electronics stores.
I remember being in the student Union at Utah State U when that decision was made. There were some angry Mormons.
curious.. wrote:
Thoughts?
No -- peaceful protests would be justified, but not riots.
curious.. wrote:
Thoughts?
It amazes me this is even a question. Obviously the answer is no. It wouldn't matter if Derek Chauvin and the other officers drove up and all pulled their guns and emptied their clips simultaneously into Floyd, rioting would be neither justified nor a sensible reaction. How is stealing from Persons A-Y justice for Person Z's crime? This seems like logic/ethics for 5 year olds to me.
My own prediction is that he will be found not guilty of at least the highest crimes, and no matter the result, there will be some commotion. The low lifes out there will use any excuse to behave like animals.
yawn wrote:
jecht wrote:
Yes!
I'd put the odds on this:
Not Guilty -200
Guilty +250
A slight edge in favor of him being not guilty. George Zimmerman was acquitted of his crime against Trayvon Martin.
You won’t say that when they burn down your neighborhood.
And please, remind me of which crime Zimmerman was guilty of. Last time I checked he was found not guilty and his actions were deemed self defense.
He said he was acquitted, and then you said last time you checked he was found not guilty.
George Zimmerman stalked a young black man disobeying police orders and then started a fight with him. The reason why he was found not guilty is because Florida has a stand your ground law which says if you “fear for your life” you can legally kill the other person no matter what started it.
So, I can punch you in the face knowing I have a gun and you don’t. Then, when you start whooping me, I can shoot you.
If any media appear to be blatantly prejudging the trial with their coverage the defense could make a case to the judge that the instance complained of is prejudicial. I don't see it happening. Slander would be if Chauvin was acquitted and the media described him as a murderer. I don't see that happening, either.
rekrunner wrote:
curious.. wrote:
Thoughts?
No -- peaceful protests would be justified, but not riots.
Peaceful protests are by definition not riots and the law allows peaceful protest about anything you like.
yessirskiii wrote:
The Unkle wrote:
[quote]yessirskiii wrote:
the US also didn’t allow in many Jews during the pre WW2 and WW2 era prosecution in Europe. Anti-Semitism was pretty well tolerated until Pearl Harbor.
Oh, for Chrissakes. Many peoples were not allowed in at that time
So you point out one thing that I said as disprove of the US having pretty awful actions toward it’s own citizens and others abroad. I can’t say I applaud you.
You ever heard of Charles Coughlin? The Christian Front? America First Comittee? SS St.Louis?
Of course I have heard of all those. Movies have been made. Many stories written.
No movies about all the other Eastern Europeans who were also being kept out.
You heard of AIPAC? The USS Liberty? Jonathan Pollard? The Lavon Affair?