And you blood stagnant river red, immobile, moved to currency, only should you
fuel the heart which when moved moves thee.
And you blood stagnant river red, immobile, moved to currency, only should you
fuel the heart which when moved moves thee.
Oregon Track was big before PRE. Bowerman was a known commodity. Pre's personality and running took it to another level.
Can't wait to get to Eugene for the NCAA's in June.
This is the dumbest question I have ever seen posted on this site in nearly 20 years of visiting. I hope to everything that you don't have children.
Now you will not swell the rout
Of lads that wore their honours out,
Runners whom renown outran
And the name died before the man.
Complex question. I grew up in Oregon back then. Most athletes were not like him. Oregon was much more provincial and there was huge local pride. Ultimately Pre would have been Pre anywhere he grew up. He had the talent and the desire to succeed. I think any community would have embraced him. Back then, there was no developmental programs..just the track team. If you did well you would go to college and compete. After that....
I take it you've never heard of Harry Jerome then... Pre wasn't even close to being Bowerman or Oregan's best athlete, let alone the guy that "made" them
A rock transformed Pre.
That's a fact.
https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a19448537/secret-pres-rock/
stan the corgi wrote:
Complex question. I grew up in Oregon back then. Most athletes were not like him. Oregon was much more provincial and there was huge local pride. Ultimately Pre would have been Pre anywhere he grew up. He had the talent and the desire to succeed. I think any community would have embraced him. Back then, there was no developmental programs..just the track team. If you did well you would go to college and compete. After that....
A lot of guys have talent and the desire to succeed. What made Pre different was his charisma.
You're right. And very few athletes back then really demonstrated much charisma, publicly. Pre would have been just as popular no matter where he went.
So Pre made Oregon?
Pre became Pre in Coos Bay before he went to UO. UO was UO before Pre went there.
kids are still going to oregon because of Pre. 50 years later. He IS that legendary.
but then, they were good before. and now they have that nike money. so they'd be big regardless. He definitely adds to it though. As somebody posted before, NEXT LEVEL
Neither. Oregon's greatest T&F team ever was 1962 (or thereabouts). Years before Pre came to Oregon.
Pre for his part part gained national fame in high school. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but Pre hadn't really done much at Oregon when he was on the cover of SI. The cover speaks for itself. He was considered a young prodigy based largely on what he had achieved at Marshfield High School.
It seems that the answer to this question if you didn't know Pre or were alive during his time can be encapsulated in a Runners World story that was done by Phil Knight.
However one interprets that story will provide that answer for them.
Summary:
Knight had a new shoe idea (Nike, eventually)
Hollister was part of his group
Hollister recruited Pre for Nike
Pre's popularity boomed Knight's business
Knight supported Pre in his endeavors
Pre's Death made Pre, Knight, Eugene, Oregon, Nike, etc household names
So it could be yes or no to either or yes to both.
Pre is bigger than Oregon
Nike made Pre
Bowerman was at Oregon before Pre and had some level of success. Dellinger coached Pre even though Bowerman took credit for it, and built the program into what it became. Salazar, Chapa, McChesney, Centrowicz were all Dellinger's guys and are still on the school's top 10 lists at their events (NONE of Bowerman's distance runners are on those lists). Those guys were faster at Oregon than Cheserek was at Oregon all those years later.
Pre ran 3:57 that spring which was only 6 seconds off the WR at the time. He also finished third at the NCAA championship the previous fall. Here is the article:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/vault.si.com/.amp/vault/1970/06/15/the-freshman-and-the-great-guru
huikko wrote:
Nike made Pre
No! Tracy Smith made Pre.
Pre was 4th in 1969 AAU (Miama Dade College) behind Tracy Smith, Gerry Lindgren, Juan Martinez (Mexico).
AAU made all candidates for national team run a Mickey Mouse meet in Honolulu (its on Youtube). Smith balked, and AAU banished him to Siberia. The national AAU tour of Europe was dual meets (so Lindgren & Pre) repped USA.
Pre got so much experience and confidence from that AAU tour of Europe.
AAU later allowed Tracy Smith on the team for 1969 Pan Pacific Games (Tokyo) which he won.
So consider Tracy Smith a huge part of Pre's development and life.
Pre was surprisingly good in hot weather conditions.
And now....you know.....the rest of the story.
messi wrote:
huikko wrote:
Nike made Pre
No! Tracy Smith made Pre.
Pre was 4th in 1969 AAU (Miama Dade College) behind Tracy Smith, Gerry Lindgren, Juan Martinez (Mexico).
AAU made all candidates for national team run a Mickey Mouse meet in Honolulu (its on Youtube). Smith balked, and AAU banished him to Siberia. The national AAU tour of Europe was dual meets (so Lindgren & Pre) repped USA.
Pre got so much experience and confidence from that AAU tour of Europe.
AAU later allowed Tracy Smith on the team for 1969 Pan Pacific Games (Tokyo) which he won.
So consider Tracy Smith a huge part of Pre's development and life.
Pre was surprisingly good in hot weather conditions.
And now....you know.....the rest of the story.
Did Smith pace Pre to his 8:41 HS record?
His fame sold a lot of pre-posterous merchandise, like this Pre poster
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/16/cc/36/16cc368ce4bd96d01c411f23cbdede4c.jpg
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