spurz wrote:
I’m actually more surprised he’s into women.
Lol, that was my first thought as well. I heard something this morning about him and an underage person and just assumed it was another guy before reading more closely.
spurz wrote:
I’m actually more surprised he’s into women.
Lol, that was my first thought as well. I heard something this morning about him and an underage person and just assumed it was another guy before reading more closely.
What is wrong with you, Rojo?
Cancun Cruz wrote:
spurz wrote:
I’m actually more surprised he’s into women.
Lol, that was my first thought as well. I heard something this morning about him and an underage person and just assumed it was another guy before reading more closely.
This might be a sow-your-wild-oats type of deal. He wanted "son" Nestor wanted to make sure girls were icky before making their dad-son commitment.
Gaetz made the following odd statement during a phone interview. "I believe that there are people at the Department of Justice who are trying to criminalize my sexual conduct, you know when I was a single guy."
He seems to imply he is no longer single.
https://www.axios.com/matt-gaetz-sexual-misconduct-investigation-2755fd4f-f72e-4283-b8ac-9233c952b914.htmlI hate Gaetz as much as anyone and wish him nothing but the worst. Yet, age of consent laws are strange. Should a 30+ year old guy be having sex with a 17 year old girl? No. Do we need to make it a crime if a 30+ year old guy has consensual sex with a 17 year old girl? Maybe? Maybe not? Shouldn't the girls parents be able shut down this sort of relationship without having to call the cops? And shouldn't the 30+ year old guy get ostracized by his friends and family until he stopped the relationship? If having consensual sex with a 17 year old girl is illegal, why does it suddenly become legal when she turns 18? And should it be illegal for a 17 year old girl to have sex with her HS boyfriend who was a Jr. when she was a freshman and is now 20 and a sophomore in college? There are certainly situations where the relationship is more of a concern because the guy is in a position of power. But there is a lot of gray between what is clearly wrong (pre-pubescent girls) and what is just creepy and a bad idea.
I too, can't stand Gaetz but a 17 yr old female can look like a 22 year old.
If both wanted it thats fine.
Laws really need to recognize 1/2 + 7 rule. So a 30 year old can only have sex with people 22 and above. A 20 year old should be able to have sex with a 17 year old.
YWA wrote:
I too, can't stand Gaetz but a 17 yr old female can look like a 22 year old.
If both wanted it thats fine.
If she told him she was 22, but was only 17 - that seems like it would be more on her if he truly didn't know.
From what I heard this sounds way more complicated than that and I don't wish these types of troubles on anyone!
Precious Roy wrote:
I hate Gaetz as much as anyone and wish him nothing but the worst. Yet, age of consent laws are strange. Should a 30+ year old guy be having sex with a 17 year old girl? No. Do we need to make it a crime if a 30+ year old guy has consensual sex with a 17 year old girl? Maybe? Maybe not? Shouldn't the girls parents be able shut down this sort of relationship without having to call the cops? And shouldn't the 30+ year old guy get ostracized by his friends and family until he stopped the relationship? If having consensual sex with a 17 year old girl is illegal, why does it suddenly become legal when she turns 18? And should it be illegal for a 17 year old girl to have sex with her HS boyfriend who was a Jr. when she was a freshman and is now 20 and a sophomore in college? There are certainly situations where the relationship is more of a concern because the guy is in a position of power. But there is a lot of gray between what is clearly wrong (pre-pubescent girls) and what is just creepy and a bad idea.
Well pre-pubescent is like 0-12 or 13, right?
I also think about, when I was 13, I had a huge crush on Larisa Oleynik, who was like 15-16 at the time. If I watch Secret Life of Alex Mack now, I still have a crush on her, but it wasn't creepy when I was still 13-17, but when I turned 18 I'm supposed to not find her attractive?
I guess the point is, there is a notable difference between recognizing that a person has an adult body and engaging in sexual intercourse with that person.
Don't know if Gaetz is innocent or guilty of the crime. What is not in dispute is that Gaetz is a complete and utter douchebag. His stunt with the huge gas mask alone is proof of that.
The age of consent used to be 13 in Spain which is severely alarming. I don't really want to comment on this but personally I am not sure if 17, well, I don't know.
Precious Roy wrote:
I hate Gaetz as much as anyone and wish him nothing but the worst. Yet, age of consent laws are strange. Should a 30+ year old guy be having sex with a 17 year old girl? No. Do we need to make it a crime if a 30+ year old guy has consensual sex with a 17 year old girl? Maybe? Maybe not? Shouldn't the girls parents be able shut down this sort of relationship without having to call the cops? And shouldn't the 30+ year old guy get ostracized by his friends and family until he stopped the relationship? If having consensual sex with a 17 year old girl is illegal, why does it suddenly become legal when she turns 18? And should it be illegal for a 17 year old girl to have sex with her HS boyfriend who was a Jr. when she was a freshman and is now 20 and a sophomore in college? There are certainly situations where the relationship is more of a concern because the guy is in a position of power. But there is a lot of gray between what is clearly wrong (pre-pubescent girls) and what is just creepy and a bad idea.
Another wrinkle is where he's alleged to have taken her. I would assume it's DC. The age of consent in Florida is 18, but in DC it's 16. Seems crazy for it to be a Federal crime for him to take his girlfriend to DC to have sex with her when it is perfectly legal to have sex with a 17 year old there.
Precious Roy wrote:
I hate Gaetz as much as anyone and wish him nothing but the worst. Yet, age of consent laws are strange. Should a 30+ year old guy be having sex with a 17 year old girl? No. Do we need to make it a crime if a 30+ year old guy has consensual sex with a 17 year old girl? Maybe? Maybe not? Shouldn't the girls parents be able shut down this sort of relationship without having to call the cops? And shouldn't the 30+ year old guy get ostracized by his friends and family until he stopped the relationship? If having consensual sex with a 17 year old girl is illegal, why does it suddenly become legal when she turns 18? And should it be illegal for a 17 year old girl to have sex with her HS boyfriend who was a Jr. when she was a freshman and is now 20 and a sophomore in college? There are certainly situations where the relationship is more of a concern because the guy is in a position of power. But there is a lot of gray between what is clearly wrong (pre-pubescent girls) and what is just creepy and a bad idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlN3oEjMpUQ
You hate Gaetz..because why exactly..?! This should be good...can’t wait to read about your hate.
King Tiger wrote:
The fact the FBI still does nothing about Hunter Biden proves they are a bunch of political shills.
This sexual allegation stuff is typical smear stuff that can rarely be proven anyway.
Enough for the purposes of character assassination though. Look at Julian Assange , when the USA wanted him to be extradited suddenly out of nowhere: rape charges! How convenient.
Forget Hunter Biden. I think it all has something to do with Benghazi.
golden hamster wrote:
The age of consent used to be 13 in Spain which is severely alarming. I don't really want to comment on this but personally I am not sure if 17, well, I don't know.
It doesn't matter that you don't know. There is state age 18 law and a Federal law that keeps interstate travelers from breaking that state law. In one state the law can be age 17 and that makes no difference. The law was broken, and worse for Gaetz, he paid he to travel out of state with him. Gaetz has to be the stupidest lawyer in Congress to think he can get around Florida sex laws by traveling to another state to get around the restriction on his wild loins.
YWA wrote:
I too, can't stand Gaetz but a 17 yr old female can look like a 22 year old.
If both wanted it thats fine.
That is like saying a 14 year old can like like a 19 year old. If both wanted it that’s fine. You are a danger to minors.
Fat hurts wrote:
King Tiger wrote:
The fact the FBI still does nothing about Hunter Biden proves they are a bunch of political shills.
This sexual allegation stuff is typical smear stuff that can rarely be proven anyway.
Enough for the purposes of character assassination though. Look at Julian Assange , when the USA wanted him to be extradited suddenly out of nowhere: rape charges! How convenient.
Forget Hunter Biden. I think it all has something to do with Benghazi.
Hillary will be arrested any day now. lmao
rede da arteecal wrote:
sp2 wrote:
Since you're clearly not very good at this stuff, Rojo, I'll lay out a couple of helpful points for you.
1. Yes, Gaetz very likely has had sex with underage kids (of both genders seems like a good bet). If you knew *anything* about who this guy is, you'd know there are about a dozen good reasons to think this is a high probability.
2. To call Gaetz a pathological liar is such an understatement it's almost ridiculous.
Like the Orange Turd he worships, anything he says about *anything* is highly likely to be a lie.
3. His story tonight is *very* likely to be an utter fabrication, or at least a massive distortion that's only, say, 90% fabrication. It makes absolutely zero sense in roughly 25 ways immediately apparent to anyone over the age of six.
4. If it magically turned out there actually *was* some kind of crazy extortion plot against him (try and stay with me here, Roj), that would *not* mean the allegations against him were false.
If anything, it would probably indicate they were legit, as they'd constitute a solid basis on which someone might try to extort lots of money.
5. If Gaetz IS guilty of 'sex with a 17-year-old,' as you dimly characterize it, that would be roughly #137 on the list of crimes he's committed, ranked by their seriousness.
6. Again, if you knew *anything* about Gaetz, his closest 'associates,' or the case from which these charges tonight appear to probably derive (the case against his best pal Joel Greenberg), you'd know that forthcoming charges against Gaetz probably involve a HELL of a lot more than 'having sex with a 17-year-old.'
7. If you actually *believe* that the likely heart of this story is an 'extortion scheme' against Matt Gaetz, you are so freaking dumb and so freaking ignorant, you probably shouldn't be allowed to operate a can-opener without adult supervision.
Keep watching. If you actually pay a little bit of *attention,* you'll learn a lot of really valuable stuff.
The entire "extortion" aspect of this case is also very suspicious in its origins. Apparently it occurred when Gaetz' father contacted the DOJ agent and wore a wire to do so. I wouldn't be surprised if the DOJ is not only investigating Gaetz for the underage sex situation but for trying to set up the DOJ agent in an extortion case. I'll guess we'll hear the tape with Gaetz' dad asking questions which can be construed in different fashions and Gaetz will attempt to paint the DOJ agent's answers as implying a payoff which the agent will in no way be doing.
It didn't sound at all as how the FBI would handle an extortion case of this magnitude.
Yes. There will probably be some tiny germ of truth to the Gaetzes' ridiculous story, which will be underlaid by something even worse for them.
They probably tried hard to bribe someone at DOJ and then make it look like that guy was trying to 'extort' them, or something along those lines.
Perhaps they even found some scumbag Trumpist nut-job close to this investigation, and tried to work some crazy scheme with him.
The good thing about Gaetz is that he's *really* f***ing dumb, and it's extremely likely he'll only end up incriminating himself even further.
Watching this pile of human puke go down for the count will be such a glorious day for America we should probably make a federal holiday of it.
zxcvzcxv wrote:
This was a report concerning one of the older accusations against Matt Gaetz:
https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2020/01/15/us-rep-matt-gaetz-accused-of-creating-sex-game-with-points-for-sleeping-with-staff
Yes, that's just one little piece of the body of public knowledge that tells any halfway reasonable observer who Gaetz is, and allows them to make reasonable inferences about what really happened here, and who's probably lying. (Small hint: when a guy like Matt Gaetz is *breathing*, it's damn near guaranteed he's lying.)
Of course, there will still be lots of guys, like Rojo, who choose to know *nothing* about the circumstances and people involved, and then claim to be 'mystified' about the truth of the matter.
It's a special kind of willful stupidity.
Gaetz boasted last night that there are no pics of him with child prostitutes. So nobody photographed his behavior is what he appears to be asserting.
Hoaxer wrote:
Gaetz boasted last night that there are no pics of him with child prostitutes. So nobody photographed his behavior is what he appears to be asserting.
Yeah, he also, IIRC, insisted that he hadn't 'traveled with any 17-year-old.' Not that he didn't have sex with one, or with a 15-year-old, etc.
A very strangely *specific* denial of one detail that purposely ignores the much bigger issues.
Gaetz is the kind of rich-boy low-life who thinks the fact that Daddy bought his way into law school, and then (literally) bought his way into Congress makes him *smart*.
(A whole lot like, well, every single person in the Trump family.)
He's about to find out how horribly wrong he is on that score.
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