People calling coronavirus vaccine "miracle of science"

mRNA vaccines have been tested in trials for 10 years. Adenovirus vector vaccines have been tested even longer. All companies are selling their vaccines at cost or minimal profit. why did they need this pandemic? Bro...

Hate pharma all you want but pharma will end this pandemic

Ooooohh neat! Prototype-quality vaccines for a nasty strain of Respiratory Disease going around. It even works on last year's virus, some of the time. We all still get to all die of Cancer, Epilepsy, etc.

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Why would a vaccine be a miracle of science? Why wouldn't a treatment be a miracle of science? Why is there no research into treatment? Why were the treatments used last year completely shunned? We can do better.

And why did Bill Gates, Johns Hopkins, and the World Economic Forum hold a pandemic simulation in October 2019, within a month of what we now know to be when the virus likely left the lab? Just another huge coincidence I’m sure.

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2600 bro wrote:

mRNA vaccines have been tested in trials for 10 years.

Adenovirus vector vaccines have been tested even longer.

All companies are selling their vaccines at cost or minimal profit.

why did they need this pandemic?

Bro...

What's with all this "bro" stuff - are you some kind of little kid or something? Just last night at the gym I was talking to a young kid about the vaccines where in every one of his sentences he used the word "bro." I asked him why do you have to use "bro" in every sentence? And he proceeds to say he was raised that way (I have a 21 yr old son who doesn't talk that way). As the young kid and I continued to discuss the Covid vaccines, I told him I was a boomer and that as a youngster I had the Chicken Pox, Mumps, Measles, etc...and that I'm still here. The young kid looks at me in amazement and says; "Wow...bro, you must have had a really strong immune system." Lol.

The vaccine companies have already made billions from Operation Warp Speed and will continue to make billions more throughout 2021:

Bancel becomes an overnight billionaire:

It's all about the $$$. These vaccine CEOs are money junkies. The more vaccines they can persuade people to take the more dough they make. And the richer they become the more influence they have over Congress, the governments, the medical community, the CDC, the FDA & the MSM. The sooner you learn this kid, the better off you'll be and you won't fall prey to the mind-controlling effects of the pharma-controlled MSM. 😉

And kid; they needed the pandemic to use as fearmongering leverage to scare the younger and healthier people to submit to the vaccine. There was never a problem with the old & unhealthy people - they would take rat poison if they were told it would protect them from Covid. And they're on so many pharmaceuticals anyway, they don't care about the side-effects of any of these vaccines. A lot of these of elderly, sick people, who have one foot in the grave anyway, want to squeeze out a few more months of life. It's the young & healthy of this country that the vaxx companies have to target as the most difficult group to buy into the vaccines.

But fear is powerful weapon.

Boulder bro wrote:

Hate pharma all you want but pharma will end this pandemic

Really?

Like they created the deadly opioid crisis?

Actually we have fought wars in the ME due to the Israel Lobby but that's another story

Garbage In Garbage Out wrote:

The 1969 UCLA invention of the internet and 1965 UCLA invention of distributed/cloud computers made it possible to gather 100 billion of records and reduce duplicates and tag dead people.

More impressively, the Bruins won 9 out of 10 D-1 basketball championships from 1964 to 1973.

Controlling the masses through fear wrote:

What's with all this "bro" stuff - are you some kind of little kid or something? Just last night at the gym I was talking to a young kid about the vaccines where in every one of his sentences he used the word "bro." I asked him why do you have to use "bro" in every sentence? And he proceeds to say he was raised that way (I have a 21 yr old son who doesn't talk that way). As the young kid and I continued to discuss the Covid vaccines, I told him I was a boomer and that as a youngster I had the Chicken Pox, Mumps, Measles, etc...and that I'm still here. The young kid looks at me in amazement and says; "Wow...bro, you must have had a really strong immune system." Lol.

Staggering. This man claims that infectious diseases are not 100% lethal. People survive them???

Therefore, vaccines are not needed.

Now that's some classic LRC logic.

People in Argentina are idiots.

The world record for vaccine development was 4 years for the mumps vaccine. The vaccine researchers got very lucky in that the spike protein proved to be the key to stopping COVID 19. There were many potential methods to attack COVID 19 and it was not much more than good luck that the first line of attack proved to be highly effective.

mRNA vaccines are revolutionary. With an mRNA vaccine, you do not have to grow the virus and then introduce an inactive virus. You can very quickly scale up production of a vaccine and deploy large quantities for phase 3 trials and then upon approval. That is a big advantage. mRNA vaccines could eventually revolutionize the ID world and be able to stop a lot of IDs that have been very difficult to control. mRNA is also being looked at for potential cancer vaccines. That could be the cancer moonshot.

As for the vaccine companies' profits, they have made good money and the vaccines now must be open sourced so all countries can be able to make them quickly to stop the rising variants. Setting aside the stupidity of Bolsinaro, Brazil should be getting every spare dose of vaccines right now. The country's health system is a disaster and the P1 variant is causing more severe illness and death in younger populations. A cluster of the P1 variant was discovered in BC near Whistler. Keeping a choke hold on the supply of the most effective COVID 19 vaccines under the patent and intellectual property system is a clear and present danger to the ongoing efforts to stop the pandemic. The US and the EU have opposed open sourcing the vaccines on the grounds that it would "stifle innovation". This is quasi-genocidal and must be reversed quickly before much of the developing world goes the way of Brazil and new variants get ahead of the current vaccines (most of the current vaccines are effective against P1 but P1 does have escape variant properties).

https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/argentina/argentina-records-highest-daily-covid-caseload-in-two-months.phtml

Modern and Pfizer are not profiting much from OWS and the vaccine sales. Obviously investors big and small believe in the technology now that it's succeeded so impressively. When they develop the next way of therapies on their own dime, they will sell them for profit - thus investors want to buy in now! Make sense bro?

Lot to unpack here.

mRNA tech hasn't been used like this, or on this scale ever. Not sure that's okay.

Some side effects of the shot are bizarre. Will everyone's teeth fall out in 18 months, too?

The shot won't even last a year? Nice job, that.

Why are we so concerned about a fourth wave with all the vaccinations? Does the shot work, or doesn't it?

You said a year back we'd be done with this at herd immunity, or 65 percent. We're at 70 percent now. What gives?

Even more to unpack: 1) There have been mRNA vaccine trials in humans for over 10 years - yes this is the largest deployment. Has to start somewhere! 2) All vaccines carry risk of side effects - immune stimulation is complex. No side effects are especially "weird" compared to other vaccines. We are spoiled by the flu vaccine, it is highly engineered and has very very low rate of side effects (at a cost: it's 50% effective). 3) All evidence points the memory responses lasting many years if not a lifetime like all other vaccines. 4) Most of the concern is selecting for variants before we have good vaccine coverage global. It's something worth considering but in the US it won't be too much of an issue very soon. 5) No evidence we are at 70%. Remember, vaccinated and infected are not mutually exclusive. We will reach 70% in under a month though!

This is Jim Kiler wrote:

Lot to unpack here.

mRNA tech hasn't been used like this, or on this scale ever. Not sure that's okay.

Some side effects of the shot are bizarre. Will everyone's teeth fall out in 18 months, too?

The shot won't even last a year? Nice job, that.

Why are we so concerned about a fourth wave with all the vaccinations? Does the shot work, or doesn't it?

You said a year back we'd be done with this at herd immunity, or 65 percent. We're at 70 percent now. What gives?

The reason the mRNA technology is so revolutionary is the reason it should not be open sourced. The individuals and companies that figured out the delivery method to get mRNA into a person without an adverse immune response have one of the greatest medical innovations of our lifetime. This will lead to cancer treatments, etc. that will save far more lives down the road. That is not a technology they want to give away. Countries like China (who are working on trying to copy the Pfizer and Moderna technology) have abused patent laws with most every other technological innovation and you just want to give it away? It would be far better to demand a tit for tat (like China and Russia are doing with their vaccine diplomacy) and secure patent protections down the road for their technologies in exchange for production held by those countries to be ramped up. Pfizer and Moderna know how to make their product opening it to China and India simply strengthens those countries.