The H.S. 2-mile record is Kessler's for the taking

Very little we do hear makes sense

ddidididid wrote:

Simple Runner wrote:

On a windy, humid day he ran 8:39 with massive negative splits: 4:26, 4:13 with a 56 last lap. Insane. Not a stretch to break L.V.'s 8:29 with better conditions and competition.

Huge negative split but that last mile was only like 1s faster than the pace you want him to hold for the whole race. This is a like an 835 effort with even pacing not an 829. Maybe competition and peaking get him the rest of the way there.

And let's not ignore how awesome 839 is. LV, nelson, fernandez, cheserek,hunter and nico are the only faster times I can think of. That's a pretty exclusive list.

Cheserek, hunter, and young were all slower than Kessler over 2 miles. There is nobody in the history of our sport that has a better high school mile/2mile combo. I know that the MO on LR is doubt, doubt, and more doubt, but you imbeciles need to pull your head out of the sand for this one.

super knuckle kaknuckle belt buckle banana truffle head wrote:

ddidididid wrote:

Huge negative split but that last mile was only like 1s faster than the pace you want him to hold for the whole race. This is a like an 835 effort with even pacing not an 829. Maybe competition and peaking get him the rest of the way there.

And let's not ignore how awesome 839 is. LV, nelson, fernandez, cheserek,hunter and nico are the only faster times I can think of. That's a pretty exclusive list.

Cheserek, hunter, and young were all slower than Kessler over 2 miles. There is nobody in the history of our sport that has a better high school mile/2mile combo. I know that the MO on LR is doubt, doubt, and more doubt, but you imbeciles need to pull your head out of the sand for this one.

I believe Hunter and Young's converted 3k times are faster than Hobbs's. However, you're right, this is probably the best mile/2mile combo ever by a HSer.

LV has better combined.

runderun wrote:

Genuine question from a European: why don't Americans just run the 3000m? No one else in the world runs the two mile with any regularity. Isn't it better to run distances that get people prepared for the kind of championship races they'll face? And doesn't it make the records kind of soft since it's hard to put them in global perspective?

You are correct.

But one has to understand

Back in the 1980’s Ronald Reagan was in power. I liked Regan by the way but didn’t like that we didn’t adopt the metric system during his time in office. He had the opportunity and ability to have the country go away from the imperial system and to the metric system. Two recessions during the 80’s caused the USA to question conversion due primarily to the cost of retooling manufacturing plants. During the 1980’s the USA was still manufacturing lots of products. Big business didn’t want the added cost, logistically the metric system had softly started in schools but...

US colleges run the 1500/3k. The girls in my state run the 1500/3k. So this goes way beyond Reagan.

I would think this is more of a USATF, NFHS, and state public school org. issue

high school xc coach wrote:

US colleges run the 1500/3k. The girls in my state run the 1500/3k. So this goes way beyond Reagan.

I would think this is more of a USATF, NFHS, and state public school org. issue

At this point it may be just to preserve the history and meaning behind hs records.

Also he should target Ryun's 8:25 Junior Records 3:36. for 1500, 3:51.3 for the Mile and 8:25 for 2 miles. I think the American Junior Record for 3000 is 7:47 not sure by who, maybe German Fernandez.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Ryun#:~:text=He%20was%20also%20the%20NCAA%20indoor%20mile%20champion,in%20the%20800%20meters%20la

Actually Ryun has it in the 3000 as well 7:47.8

https://trackandfieldnews.com/tfn-lists/u-s-junior-all-time-list-men/

douglas burke wrote:

Also he should target Ryun's 8:25 Junior Records 3:36. for 1500, 3:51.3 for the Mile and 8:25 for 2 miles. I think the American Junior Record for 3000 is 7:47 not sure by who, maybe German Fernandez.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Ryun#:~:text=He%20was%20also%20the%20NCAA%20indoor%20mile%20champion,in%20the%20800%20meters%20la

He just turned 18. So he has the 2021 and the 2022 season to get the junior records.

[quote]super knuckle kaknuckle belt buckle banana truffle head wrote:

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There is nobody in the history of our sport that has a better high school mile/2mile combo.

Sure there is. LV.

popeye doyle wrote:

after seeing that 8:39 and how easy it was, I think we should start talking about the HS mile record. It's tough, but he could do it in the right pro race.

^^^ This.... is why so many US HS Stars go on to accomplish so little internationally.... no... we should not be talking about any HS records... they’re irrelevant. With his talent level, the only thing he should be thinking about is how to position himself for a global gold medal. Anything less would be a waste of his talent.

When you see the 3:57 indoors, the tremendous speed he has (closing the Michigan in 50), and the 8:39 with a 55 close, you know that he has a great shot at the 3:53 and the 8:29 records in pro/college races. He is training with Nick Willis at times and has Ron Warhurst as a coach. The sky's the limit.

Run 3:35 and 3:52 in the next 6 weeks and then turn pro and try to make the US team.

runderun wrote:

Genuine question from a European: why don't Americans just run the 3000m? No one else in the world runs the two mile with any regularity. Isn't it better to run distances that get people prepared for the kind of championship races they'll face? And doesn't it make the records kind of soft since it's hard to put them in global perspective?

The real elephant in the room that no American younger than 50 wants to talk about, is:

What is the deal with the 1600m and 3200m? To a European this has to seem much stranger than the two-mile that the poster is questioning. In fact, to this American, it is truly bizarre. They are not events. They are not recognized by USATF, WA, nor T&FN. It is not possible to set World or National Records at these distances. This is because they are not recognized as legitimate by anyone other than those competing in them.

I know what the responses will be:

It's a high school thing. If you were in high school you would understand. I was in high school and ran. Hit about 80mpw. I had never heard of either of these so-called 'events' at the time. It wasn't until discovering this very Board that I became aware that some people exist who train for, race over, and care about them. What did I do at the time? Standard, universally recognized events, mainly 10k. Occasionally the marathon. I realize these claims will be shocking and offensive to some. At least I didn't make up random distances to time myself over just because they are not run by anyone else in the world and the 'records' will be soft. If you thought the 2 mile is rare and therefore soft, try out these new ones!

it’s a high school thing, if you were in high school you'd understand

You really didn't know anyone on a high school track team who ran the mile or two mile, did you not know who Gerry Lindgren was in your entire life?

No, your claims aren't "offensive" stop trying to seem like a badass or something

Eh honestly given we have 400m tracks, 1600 and 3200 make a lot of sense. It’s possible that we only run the 1500/3000 because a 500m track was used for the 1900 Olympics.

Given we have a 400m track, it’d be nice if we ran something like the 400, 800, 2000, 4000, and 8000 as events rather than the 1500/3000/5000 but it seems we’re in too deep to be reasonable at this point.

Didn’t know that’s where the 1500 and 3k events came from... pretty cool.

LV has a tough record to beat. His converted time from his 8:29 comes out to 8:25 for 3200 and 7:51 for 3k. So however you split it it’s faster than any other high schooler.

Kessler won’t have any trouble getting into a race, Willis Warhurst and U of M have the connections to do that easily. The hard part I would assume for Kessler would be to hold onto 4:14 pace from the gun, but I do think it is very doable for him.