Endorphin Pro or Next %

SanDiegorunner wrote:

I love my Endorphin Speed and they’re currently at 220 miles. Still look amazing & the midsole is insane!

I’m looking for a carbon plated racing shoe for the end of the year and upcoming time trials. I’m just not sure how long the next % will last... anyone have any luck in them only wearing them for tempos and racing only?

Nike says they lose their pop after 100 miles. I have about 400 miles on my VF4% though -- I felt like they did lose some of the pop feel around 100 - 150 miles, but honestly I still wear them from time to time on tempos and they still crush it. Who knows if they have lost a second or two per mile, but it doesn't real seem like it based on the results.

I only have 50 on my NEXT%. I save them for races. But there aren't a lot of differences between the NEXT% and the 4% from a durability perspective. I would expect them to do pretty well at 200 miles and more, although they may not be quite as peppy as a brand new pair.

Are you racing for money? If not, no point buying these shoes other than bragging about times on social media

The ZoomX foam in the Next% is extremely delicate stuff- I have only 60 miles on mine and the exposed foam in the elf heel is already shredded from just a few short sections of races with some loose gravel on the road. Plus people say they lose their pop after 100-150 miles. Meanwhile my Fuelcell TCs, which I use for fast training, have 350 miles on them and still have plenty of life left.The Nikes might still have a slight performance edge over the next-best super shoe but anything else is gonna be a much better value, both because of price and durability.

San Diego Hobby Jogger wrote:

Are you racing for money? If not, no point buying these shoes other than bragging about times on social media

This is sorry reasoning. A lot of people are motivated by results. If I weren’t improving at all, I wouldn’t be training. That’s just wasting your time. Money doesn’t have to be the only reason to look to improve.

San Diego Hobby Jogger wrote:

Are you racing for money? If not, no point buying these shoes other than bragging about times on social media

To an extent you are right but if you follow this through the it goes to wear the cheapest shoes you can find, but the logical conclusion of you argument is why are you even entering a race if you are not going to win/place/remunerative?

The answer like all things in life is we can or we want to

San Diego Hobby Jogger wrote:

Are you racing for money? If not, no point buying these shoes other than bragging about times on social media

Ahh look at this guy! such a 'man'.

I can tell you however that my hot wife, 2 kids, people at work that pay me 6 figures, and my friends are all impressed by my times.

Now I know you actually have probably 10 boxes of new shoes if you're a normal person, or a troll in your uncle's basement while your mama's out making dough, so grow up a little.

This hot take was so 2017...

old news wrote:

San Diego Hobby Jogger wrote:

Are you racing for money? If not, no point buying these shoes other than bragging about times on social media

This is sorry reasoning. A lot of people are motivated by results. If I weren’t improving at all, I wouldn’t be training. That’s just wasting your time. Money doesn’t have to be the only reason to look to improve.

But YOU aren't improving, the shoes just lead to faster times. Your power output likely the same

I think the pros last longer from all the reviews I have read. I have only about 15 miles on mine so I can't really say how long they will last but in my opinion they are more comfortable & stable than vaporly/alphalfy! If your speeds have lasted that long, the pros will likely last at least 200 miles because of similar outsole & the same midsole!

I just ticked over 600k's in my Next%. I think they lost the full pop effect around the 250-300k mark, but at that point I just started running in them basically every day, every run, and now when I pick up the pace they still go OK. They are probably at like 50% pop which is fine for their use.

I have a fresh pair waiting in the trunk of my car but I'm trying to see how much I can get out of these before they are completely wrecked. 600k's in the rubber is still almost completely fine, the ZoomX foam at the back is worn but generally OK, some threads are loose on the heel and the vaporweave on my big toe has a tiny hole but that's been there since the 400's and hasn't gotten bigger.

Not sure if I fluked a good pair or they just work for me. Do most of my running on road and hard packed trail...

I own the VFN% and they are fast but troublesome. The Saucony Endorphin pro is way better made, though likely slower. More stable.

San Diego Hobby Jogger wrote:

Are you racing for money? If not, no point buying these shoes other than bragging about times on social media

Haha ? you are the most boring person on this board. Haven't you heard of doing anything for fun and pleasure? The new carbon plated shoes are an absolute pleasure to run in. Good bye fun guy

Despite the nylon plate the speeds still feel like they did out of the box. I’ve seen the first pair of next % on GOAT & Stock X at a decent price. The weight difference is the only thing that’s setting both apart for me. Has anyone just used the next % for only track / road workouts ?

SanDiegorunner wrote:

Despite the nylon plate the speeds still feel like they did out of the box. I’ve seen the first pair of next % on GOAT & Stock X at a decent price. The weight difference is the only thing that’s setting both apart for me. Has anyone just used the next % for only track / road workouts ?

Yes. I’m a 3:42 1500m runner and I am very conservative with using my Next%. Used to only have them for races (10k road races max 4-5 times/year) and imo they lose their max pop fairly quickly. Got a new pair some months ago and have been using the old pair for some workouts which they still are excellent at. Never tried Speed/Pro but lots of my running friends love them. I think the Next% are great but if you are planning to use them very frequently (which imo you generally dont need to) they come at a high price.

Have you seen any blacked out Endorphins?

Have you tried them both on? If not I would suggest doing so. To me they feel very different. The nikes are much more cushioned, which I prefer for longer races. The endorphin pro feels more firm and has a rocker type feel. I have the endorphin speeds I use for a lot of workouts, but I would still pick the vaporflys to race in. If you are going to race in the nikes I think it’s best to do so with fewer than 100 miles on them. I think the endorphin pros would last longer though if that is a big concern.

Well it’s concerning because they’re expensive lol. I thought about just using the next % for key workouts on the road and track. Then just save them for when races start rolling again. However, the pro is very tempting. My friend has both and he said, he prefers the pro for workouts and the next % for racing. I think it’s all up to the runner and it comes down to mechanics. The durability of the pro is what leaning me towards it. Thanks for everyone’s input!

I have 715km on my Endorphin Pros and 362km on my Next%.

My endorphins feel like new and my N% have less pop than they used to.

However even worn out my Next% are faster and feel better than my Endorphins.