Rheinhardt Harrison RIPS Final Workout Before SUB-4 Attempt

It seems you are moving the goal posts here from someone being “phenomenally” talented to did their career “live up to expectations”. These are not the same thing. You obviously need to be phenomenally talented to run a 3:46 mile, it is patently ludicrous to say otherwise. That said, yes I agree Webb, for example, didn’t live up to the hilariously high expectations his early performance set RE Olympic medals and so forth. In short, let’s stay on subject. Rheinhardt is obviously one of the most talented young milers in American and possibly international history.

I didn’t shift the goalposts. A side subject was brought up of whether US high school sub 4 milers turn out well. The answer is for the most part, no.

I would also say that Harrison is not one of the most talented American milers, or possibly in the whole world.

There are kids every year across the world that are 18 or younger that run sub 4. The world is bigger than just America. Sam Tanner of NZ ran 3:38 in high school, just set the NCAA record. I don’t know how long he has been running for but he probably didn’t start when he was 2 years old. Justyn Knight of CA ran sub 4 without 2 years of running!

My point is fast times =/= talent. Someone can be talented and run fast times, someone can be not talented and run fast times. Someone can be not talented and run slow times, someone can be talented and run slow times. When you have 15 years of aerobic work under your belt and are running 4:01, how much of that is talent and how much is hard consistent work.

Take an average but fit kid that’s 13 years old and have them run consistently for 15 years and I think a lot of them would run sub 4.

I would say you have to be phenomenally talented to run 4:00 in the mile at any age, with any amount of training. Let alone at 16yo.

So what if he started a bit early and his curve isn't as steep from here on out? Even if he ended up just running 3:53-3:55 or something as a pro he would be in something like the top .001% of all runners ever.

How many 16 year olds annually do you think run a 4:01 mile or equivalent 1500. Please be specific and then let me know what your line is for "phenomenally" talented.

Not sure where to find that list but I am going to guess it is < 5 and my definition of "phenomenal" would extend far beyond that.

highhoppingworm wrote:

"You argument for this hinges on me comparing this kid to someone who is a gold medal threat in the 1500. Oh ya... isn’t he faster than Jakob was at 16? Looks like he has to run a 3:38 equivalent this year to maintain pace."

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Jakob ran low 3:56 when he was 16. Youngest ever under 4 min in the mile.

But of course Rheinhardt is BOTH very talented AND very well trained.

There is a young Dane, Joel Ibler Lillesøe, who is on the same level as Rheinhardt. Joel ran 3:44.50 in the 1500m at 16 and 7:52.50 in the 3000m indoor i month ago at 17.

highhoppingworm wrote:

the mann wrote:

Go look at the US sub 4 high schoolers and look how their careers turns out...

Sure. Not sure this tells the conclusive story you want it to though.

Jim Ryun - Olympic medalist and WR holder.

Tim Danielson - Faded away.

Marty Liquori - Olympian and 3:52 miler.

Alan Webb - AR holder and 3:46 miler.

Lukas Verzbicas - Horrific bike accident ended career.

Matthew Maton - Not looking good but you never know.

Grant Fisher - Looking fantastic.

Drew Hunter - Lots of debate on this board.

Michael Slagowski - Not looking good.

Reed Brown - Too early to say.

Leo Daschbach - Way too early to say.

Hobbs Kessler - Way too early to say.

Most would argue Alan Webb's career was a massive disappointment. His best finish was 8th at a world championship. Ben Blankenship had a better career - 8th in the Olympics.

wait a second wrote:

highhoppingworm wrote:

Sure. Not sure this tells the conclusive story you want it to though.

Jim Ryun - Olympic medalist and WR holder.

Tim Danielson - Faded away.

Marty Liquori - Olympian and 3:52 miler.

Alan Webb - AR holder and 3:46 miler.

Lukas Verzbicas - Horrific bike accident ended career.

Matthew Maton - Not looking good but you never know.

Grant Fisher - Looking fantastic.

Drew Hunter - Lots of debate on this board.

Michael Slagowski - Not looking good.

Reed Brown - Too early to say.

Leo Daschbach - Way too early to say.

Hobbs Kessler - Way too early to say.

Most would argue Alan Webb's career was a massive disappointment. His best finish was 8th at a world championship. Ben Blankenship had a better career - 8th in the Olympics.

I wouldn't say "massive disappointment." He had some great performances, just none of them were on the right day because he overtrained and didn't know how to periodize. He would rather have gone for fast times than medals. A US-mile record, multiple US championships, and 1:43 800 -27:34 10k range is hardly a "massive disappointment".

highhoppingworm wrote:

the mann wrote:

Go look at the US sub 4 high schoolers and look how their careers turns out...

Sure. Not sure this tells the conclusive story you want it to though.

Jim Ryun - Olympic medalist and WR holder.

Tim Danielson - Faded away.

Marty Liquori - Olympian and 3:52 miler.

Alan Webb - AR holder and 3:46 miler.

Lukas Verzbicas - Horrific bike accident ended career.

Matthew Maton - Not looking good but you never know.

Grant Fisher - Looking fantastic.

Drew Hunter - Lots of debate on this board.

Michael Slagowski - Not looking good.

Reed Brown - Too early to say.

Leo Daschbach - Way too early to say.

Hobbs Kessler - Way too early to say.

Maton, Slagowski, and Brown were all 19 when they broke 4 in high school. Harrison just turned 17 last month.

>>Maton, Slagowski, and Brown were all 19 when they broke 4 in high school. Harrison just turned 17 last month. <<

Slagowski & Brown were 18 when they went sub-4 in high school.

highhoppingworm wrote:

How many 16 year olds annually do you think run a 4:01 mile or equivalent 1500. Please be specific and then let me know what your line is for "phenomenally" talented.

Not sure where to find that list but I am going to guess it is < 5 and my definition of "phenomenal" would extend far beyond that.

I don’t care about the quantity. I care about long term progression and your insufferable lack of definition of the word talent

Bring Back the Mile wrote:

>>Maton, Slagowski, and Brown were all 19 when they broke 4 in high school. Harrison just turned 17 last month. <<

Slagowski & Brown were 18 when they went sub-4 in high school.

You are correct. Alltime-athletics had the wrong birth date listed for Slagowski.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

I;s wrote:

It's in Florida and, unlike you, he didn't have each pore burnt shut to merely appear cool.

So what? I has run 4:28 for the mile when I lived in Homestead,Fl which is a lot warmer and more humidity than north Florida. I was ain't sweating like he do after he run.

I am on my way

wait a second wrote:

highhoppingworm wrote:

Sure. Not sure this tells the conclusive story you want it to though.

Jim Ryun - Olympic medalist and WR holder.

Tim Danielson - Faded away.

Marty Liquori - Olympian and 3:52 miler.

Alan Webb - AR holder and 3:46 miler.

Lukas Verzbicas - Horrific bike accident ended career.

Matthew Maton - Not looking good but you never know.

Grant Fisher - Looking fantastic.

Drew Hunter - Lots of debate on this board.

Michael Slagowski - Not looking good.

Reed Brown - Too early to say.

Leo Daschbach - Way too early to say.

Hobbs Kessler - Way too early to say.

Most would argue Alan Webb's career was a massive disappointment. His best finish was 8th at a world championship. Ben Blankenship had a better career - 8th in the Olympics.

Near record setting idiocy for this board

wen is race

omg you guys are dorks, stop arguing online about some kid

This kid pisses me off. Seems like a massive tool. At least wesfly is funny when they act like tools.

I don't recall any D3 runners doing 90 mpw and struggling to run 4:30. Most were running 40-60 mpw. I was an outlier the one time I was able to avg 60 for ten weeks before injuries.

Conditions suck. 17mph winds. Haven’t had a kid go sub-2 today.

Why didn’t they look at the Weather Channel before committing? Coach Butler doesn’t get it.

Seems pretty windy, but 15 people broke 2 once they got through all the heats.

The fast heat of the Girls 1600 ran a few seconds off their PRs. Not crazy, though.