Official NCAA Cross Country LIVE Thread

Nico finished as #1 for NAU.

And Hasty took Bosley’s #5 spot in the last several meters.

As an alumni I hate to say it, but I really feel like CU has been going downhill for about 5 years now. They have maintained decent results here and there, but the recruiting has been really lackluster and it's starting to reflect in the team scores.

Wetmore used to be the clear best coach in the country, in my view -- I am not sure he's a top three coach in the NCAA anymore. He might be holding a bit too tightly to more outdated methods, or it may be that Mike Smith and Ed Eyestone and some other guys have really just taken it up a notch. Hard to tell.

bostongames wrote:

I believe Brandon Garnica dropped out for BYU between 9k and 10k. He was running with Clinger almost the whole race and was that 11 score at 9k. Doesn't show up in the final splits compilation because he DNF'd.

That stinks. Not a bad result for BYU considering that.

trundzer wrote:

bostongames wrote:

I believe Brandon Garnica dropped out for BYU between 9k and 10k. He was running with Clinger almost the whole race and was that 11 score at 9k. Doesn't show up in the final splits compilation because he DNF'd.

That stinks. Not a bad result for BYU considering that.

Thank you, trundzer, that explains the split scores.

The more I consider it, the more I think Cole Sprout could give Nico a good run for his money the next few years. Particularly on the track. He's a bit quicker than Nico historically at the shorter stuff and only finished 20 seconds back today. He ran in the 50-60mpw range in HS and I think JJ is doing a good job at Stanford.

I won't be surprised if they are battling it out for the title in a few years, kind of like how Dathan Ritzenhein and Ryan Hall were big rivals despite Ritz having the much better freshman year and HS results.

birdbeard wrote:

The more I consider it, the more I think Cole Sprout could give Nico a good run for his money the next few years. Particularly on the track. He's a bit quicker than Nico historically at the shorter stuff and only finished 20 seconds back today. He ran in the 50-60mpw range in HS and I think JJ is doing a good job at Stanford.

I won't be surprised if they are battling it out for the title in a few years, kind of like how Dathan Ritzenhein and Ryan Hall were big rivals despite Ritz having the much better freshman year and HS results.

In a recent interview Sprout said he still was not doing very high mileage

CU has to cut back on Magnolia Road, and get back to 4th Street.

Do a couple laps of North Boulder Park to get the right minutes.

FastTuohy wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

The more I consider it, the more I think Cole Sprout could give Nico a good run for his money the next few years. Particularly on the track. He's a bit quicker than Nico historically at the shorter stuff and only finished 20 seconds back today. He ran in the 50-60mpw range in HS and I think JJ is doing a good job at Stanford.

I won't be surprised if they are battling it out for the title in a few years, kind of like how Dathan Ritzenhein and Ryan Hall were big rivals despite Ritz having the much better freshman year and HS results.

In a recent interview Sprout said he still was not doing very high mileage

Interesting. His form is fantastic, and I love how supportive he is of his competitors and teammates. I wish him the best (and Nico too). I hope the have a good rivalry.

How bad are runners at talking on camera? Jesus. No wonder our sport struggles.

Runners, think of something interesting to say.

Ears Hurt wrote:

How bad are runners at talking on camera? Jesus. No wonder our sport struggles.

Runners, think of something interesting to say.

The person asking the questions could use some help too. I'm not sure what you want, would be interesting to get into the race plan and what worked and what didn't but there is rarely time for that.

Young, well-hung Republicans wrote:

Gnarshralper wrote:

She has an MN accent. Best state in the union.

She definitely looks great for 40s, obviously takes good care of her beautiful skin.

This was far better than Flotrack in every phase of production, from cameras to commentators to on-screen graphics to show the tale of the races. Worth it to pay for ESPN+ for one month.

My take is the camera coverage and graphics were much better other than the several technical snafus that can happen. I don't think the commentators were as knowledgeable on most of the teams and top individuals as the Flotrack guys were.

young guns wrote:

Westlake Tavern Pizzas wrote:

Props to ND, SUU and UState. Butler and Ok had a great showing as well. Nico proved he's the real deal, but I'd see him around 15-20th if this was a normal fall race with everyone in it.

What potential top 10 guys were missing besides Teare and Hocker?

My 15-20th was a little hot, but I think he would have a lesser shot at top 10 in a normal year.

Teare, Hocker, Kioko, Christian Allen would be in the mix. Throw in a few potentials from those who doubled Indoors+XC: Hamer, Beadlescomb, Bienenfeld, Foster, Garcia Romo, and a couple who didn't double, but could've been AA and I think there's a different mix of guys fighting the first half and potentially hanging on.

I think Nico's an absolute stud. Full stop.

Southern Utah and Duke men stole the show in my opinion. Truly a remarkable run from Duke! Extremely shocking in my opinion, definitely didn't expect them any higher than 28th maybe 27th. Cuse was a huge disappointment as well, lots of sh*tters on that team. Furman also seemed to be lost and couldn't find their way to the indoor track. Pretty dog water performance.

Format critic wrote:

I'm not reading the whole thread but my first reaction is "raise you hand if you ever heard off Adriaan Wildschutt"

Everyone that follows NCAA distance running has heard of Adriaan Wildschutt. He and his twin brother ran at Coastal Carolina under Zola Budd.

I noticed that Furman's women finished dead-last. Can't say that I am disappointed. Rita Gary likes to shoot her mouth off all the time and criticize other programs and they pour all their money into just distance runners and come out last. Seems like Karma.

birdbeard wrote:

As an alumni I hate to say it, but I really feel like CU has been going downhill for about 5 years now. They have maintained decent results here and there, but the recruiting has been really lackluster and it's starting to reflect in the team scores.

Wetmore used to be the clear best coach in the country, in my view -- I am not sure he's a top three coach in the NCAA anymore. He might be holding a bit too tightly to more outdated methods, or it may be that Mike Smith and Ed Eyestone and some other guys have really just taken it up a notch. Hard to tell.

As a Colorado alum who follows the sport, I'm sure you're aware that they just had someone win the mile at NCAA indoors, right?

Kenneth Copeland, verified millionaire wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

As an alumni I hate to say it, but I really feel like CU has been going downhill for about 5 years now. They have maintained decent results here and there, but the recruiting has been really lackluster and it's starting to reflect in the team scores.

Wetmore used to be the clear best coach in the country, in my view -- I am not sure he's a top three coach in the NCAA anymore. He might be holding a bit too tightly to more outdated methods, or it may be that Mike Smith and Ed Eyestone and some other guys have really just taken it up a notch. Hard to tell.

As a Colorado alum who follows the sport, I'm sure you're aware that they just had someone win the mile at NCAA indoors, right?

That's all well and good, but that's one standout athlete. CU couldn't put together 5 fit and ready men or women to even get into the top 5 in team scoring, which has been the Wetmore-Burroughs bread and butter. More and more, they've been losing out on in-state athletes they used to dependably land. Even alumni progeny Cruz Culpepper! Is there a rift between the coaches and his parents? They were certainly hot for a while but Running With The Buffaloes doesn't sell to the Youtube/Snapchat kids. It probably also has something to do with the personality of the coaches. The state of Potts Field probably doesn't help.

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Agree that Taylor Roe can be the "it" girl. 14 years old and a middle schooler. Now a freshman at Kamiak. 7th at usatf juniors. 4:31.31. 2 time Junior Olympic cross country champion.

http://www.usatf.tv/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=45365&do=videos&video_id=150468

http://www.milesplit.com/meets/200189/videos/?id=95360#.Vf4nBFpHaK0

I did some research. Not sure how accurate it is but what I found is that on June 17th she ran a 4:27.84 for 1500.

http://clubnorthwest.org/all-comers/2015/CAC201504Results.pdf

See page 13.

Looks like she might now have the national record for girls 13-14 year olds. Almost a second better than Jordan Hassay.

http://www.usatf.org/statistics/records/view.asp?division=american&location=outdoor%20track%20%26%20field&age=youth&sport=TF

TT Roe who was good 1600/miler in high school and college in Washington is her dad.

It will be fun to watch her develop.

Just observing the facts wrote:

I noticed that Furman's women finished dead-last. Can't say that I am disappointed. Rita Gary likes to shoot her mouth off all the time and criticize other programs and they pour all their money into just distance runners and come out last. Seems like Karma.

keep in mind the furman women’s team was made up of all true freshman and one sophomore who wasn’t even on their travel roster last year. pretty sure they focused more on indoor training-wise as well, which hurt them on a difficult cross course. obviously not a good result for them, but also not surprising considering the circumstances.