America America you're such a dumb country!!!
America America you're such a dumb country!!!
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
America America you're such a dumb country!!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9336959/Pepe-Le-Pew-CUT-Space-Jam-2-following-sexual-misconduct-allegations.html
Isnt the clue in the job description, 'comdeian'
Comedian Dave Chappelle called Le Pew a rapist in 2000 in his first HBO special What kind of f**king rapist is this guy?
is the us run by comedians?
The second clue is; the character is clearly french.
this is frenchist.
A GOOD START.
NEXT CANCEL SESAME STREET.
Don't be ridiculous. Pepe le Pew has been persona non grata for 20 years or so. The problem with the humor is it involves a guy not taking no for an answer. It makes what would be sexual harassment & assault into a silly fun laugh fest for kids ... not the wisest programming. Yes, Pepe is silly and his misunderstanding is funny. But beyond that, what actually happens in the storylines is not something to be telling little boys and girls, hey this is fun and funny. Bad idea.
white U.S. dude wrote:
Don't be ridiculous. Pepe le Pew has been persona non grata for 20 years or so. The problem with the humor is it involves a guy not taking no for an answer. It makes what would be sexual harassment & assault into a silly fun laugh fest for kids ... not the wisest programming. Yes, Pepe is silly and his misunderstanding is funny. But beyond that, what actually happens in the storylines is not something to be telling little boys and girls, hey this is fun and funny. Bad idea.
Yet the moral of Pepe's stories must be lost on most, and that is that he is never successful with the object of his affections (there is actually a short where the tables are turned on Pepe and he learns what its like to be on the receiving end). As a child watching and enjoying the Looney Tunes, I easily picked up on this theme and in no way thought it would be right to celebrate or emulate Pepe's actions. Sometimes bad things need to be seen to help differentiate between good and bad.
The article quotes a New York Times writer as saying Le Pew “normalized rape culture.” What is “rape culture”?
Cartoons were off limits for a very long time.
Now it’s done I guess.
How can Family Guy still be on air?
What about the Simpsons. Homer chocking Bart. That’s fine? Promoting violence on children?
...and others...
All gone now I guess. Oh well...
Anyway, I have to run home for confinement...
hshdhihhh wrote:
How can Family Guy still be on air?
I don't understand this, either.
I am not really taking a side here, I don't want it taken off the air, but I am more just interested in why they are protected.
hshdhihhh wrote:
Cartoons were off limits for a very long time.
Now it’s done I guess.
How can Family Guy still be on air?
What about the Simpsons. Homer chocking Bart. That’s fine? Promoting violence on children?
...and others...
All gone now I guess. Oh well...
Anyway, I have to run home for confinement...
The difference is that Family guy and the Simpsons are created for a mature audience. And not to mention, Peter and Homer are not characters audiences are eager to emulate (due to their stupid and blasphemous nature). When these characters do somethings bad and socially unacceptable, its funny because its something that would never be acceptable in normal society. That's what makes these shows so funny sometimes. (However, there are many valid cases being addressed of these shows crossing the line of what is considered funny, especially in earlier seasons.).
The problem with Pepe le Pew is that its making this behavior look good and makes the audience root for his actions. And it's not like he's one of the main loony toon characters, so if your really pressed about him being kicked off the show, take a step back and ask yourself why.
Oil slick wrote:
The article quotes a New York Times writer as saying Le Pew “normalized rape culture.” What is “rape culture”?
You're asking this while posting on the internet. Go google it, rube.
Obviously it hits close to home with BartyMax because that was the chief Loony Tunes character he was able to relate to growing up: incredibly, out-of-control horny for girls and yet repulses every single girl he meets.
History, History, History. Like the Three Stooges, the Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies series of animated short subjects, and their progeny, where created for adult audiences, or perhaps to be fair, the general movie theater audience, which would have included people of all ages. They were intended to be shown between feature films or perhaps between reel changes. To think that they were solely intended for children, particularly the WWII shorts, is ludicrous.
Pepe was pretty annoying and not funny, so no big loss. The trend of banning or whitewashing anything deemed problematic by today’s standards is troubling though. You want to stick a warning on it fine, but don’t edit original content. Let’s not pretend the world was always the way it is today.
The other day I read about people complaining about Grease. It is like they want to pretend the 50s were just like today but with different clothes.
I can't remember: wasn't part of the joke the fact that Pepe LePew smells bad? So was the implication that he could get away with his behavior--that is, he would likely be found charming--if he weren't so hygienically revolting? I seem to recall that the shorts weren't so much criticizing LePew's presumption and aggression as mocking his obliviousness to his own skunkishness--though perhaps it was a bit of both.
As a kid, I was bored by these shorts--they seemed like an inside joke that, as a 9-year-old, I had no way of accessing---and I was gratified just now when I checked Wikipedia and read, "Animation producer Eddie Selzer, who was then Jones' bitterest foe at the studio, once profanely commented that no one would laugh at the Pepé cartoons." In my case, Selzer was spot on: give me Sam the Sheepdog any day!
As to LePew's "cancellation"--from, of all things, a movie called "Space Jam 2"--I'm pretty sure this is neither a great affront nor a profound loss to culture. That said, could the writers not have figured out a compelling sub-plot that resolves LePew's transformation into someone with an inkling of self-awareness, someone whose narcissistic imperturbability gets at least a little shaken? Instead if cutting him out of the family photo, would there be some virtue to helping him to enlightenment (in a way that doesn't also satirize the sexual desires of the women around him, which is what always seems to happen in the "reversal" shorts that CrispyChicken is referencing)?
In the end, of course, he's just a cartoon character, with no actual job or family or reputation to safeguard, and if the writers don't want to have to work around his stupid character traits, they should be free to cut him without having to issue an apology to the soft-skinned cartoon justice warriors on the Right.
other peoples taxes wrote:
Pepe was pretty annoying and not funny, so no big loss. The trend of banning or whitewashing anything deemed problematic by today’s standards is troubling though. You want to stick a warning on it fine, but don’t edit original content. Let’s not pretend the world was always the way it is today.
The other day I read about people complaining about Grease. It is like they want to pretend the 50s were just like today but with different clothes.
Just wanted to say quickly that this would seem like a reasonable solution, but the Muppet Justice Warriors on the Right are furious that Disney would dare put a warning like the one you describe on the Muppet Show episodes they've started streaming. They call even that measure "cancellation." So basically, there is nothing contemporary culture can do to reflect on art work once it's been released to the world. To say anything about it at all is to cancel it. This is the conservative apotheosis.
bruhuh wrote:
hshdhihhh wrote:
Cartoons were off limits for a very long time.
Now it’s done I guess.
How can Family Guy still be on air?
What about the Simpsons. Homer chocking Bart. That’s fine? Promoting violence on children?
...and others...
All gone now I guess. Oh well...
Anyway, I have to run home for confinement...
And it's not like he's one of the main loony toon characters, so if your really pressed about him being kicked off the show, take a step back and ask yourself why.
I would bet my next paycheck that OP and other people being upset over this are the intended result here. If Warner Bros had just not included him, no one would have cared or even noticed. I had to google him just to remember who he even is and I grew up with looney toons. Kids today probably havent even heard of him. But no, there is nothing to be gained by just silently removing a character. Everyone has to know about it and that it's to opress "rape culture" (great buzzword right there btw, sure to spin up some controversy in almost any conversation)
It's a marketing gimmick. Making a story out of axing his character is worth more money than just revising the way he behaves or just ignoring him completely. It's pretty sad that this type of thing actually works. I don't actually disagree that his character does set a bad example for children though so in the end its probably a case of doing the right thing for the wrong reasons
CrispyChicken wrote:
Yet the moral of Pepe's stories must be lost on most, and that is that he is never successful with the object of his affections (there is actually a short where the tables are turned on Pepe and he learns what its like to be on the receiving end). As a child watching and enjoying the Looney Tunes, I easily picked up on this theme and in no way thought it would be right to celebrate or emulate Pepe's actions. Sometimes bad things need to be seen to help differentiate between good and bad.
The moral of the story is "if you're not successful at sexual assault and harassment, don't do it?"
GTFO.
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
America America you're such a dumb country!!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9336959/Pepe-Le-Pew-CUT-Space-Jam-2-following-sexual-misconduct-allegations.html
Does any adult really care about this? Is this anything to get upset about?
CrispyChicken wrote:
white U.S. dude wrote:
Don't be ridiculous. Pepe le Pew has been persona non grata for 20 years or so. The problem with the humor is it involves a guy not taking no for an answer. It makes what would be sexual harassment & assault into a silly fun laugh fest for kids ... not the wisest programming. Yes, Pepe is silly and his misunderstanding is funny. But beyond that, what actually happens in the storylines is not something to be telling little boys and girls, hey this is fun and funny. Bad idea.
Yet the moral of Pepe's stories must be lost on most, and that is that he is never successful with the object of his affections
Pepe is essentially Jamin.
Shows like Family Guy and South Park are intended as social commentaries that are supposed to parody society. I think those two are almost impossible cancel. South Park is probably the most uncancellable because they have never really taken a political side and rip on the absurdity of all parts of society. South Park has already run the Gauntlet of ripping on every woke cause or American tradition, at this point I think they are to ridiculous to Cancel.
I remember in the 90s the Simpsons was more controversial. A lot of Catholics were hugely offended. It's crazy to think that now compared to other shows that are on television.