But it couldn't be bad policing, could it?
But it couldn't be bad policing, could it?
fasciz wrote:
Not in my hood wrote:
But you can't suggest a way that they could have handled the situation differently? That is what bothers me. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback a football game but we can't get anyone to ever do that in these rare, unfortunate policing situations.
I'm sorry that it frustrates you that I can easily see this was irresponsible policing without having to offer up the perfect way to handle it. That's the truth.
Don't be sorry. Just try and answer a simple question and try and gain some perspective. Why is that so hard?
Armstronglivs wrote:
Not in my hood wrote:
Yep and few saw what really happened - they, like you, jumped to conclusions without seeing all the facts, remember?
It isn't hard to jump to conclusions when you see someone being lynched in real time. But it obviously didn't upset you.
"Lynched" - now that is a good one! Why is the truth so hard for you to handle?
Armstronglivs wrote:
But it couldn't be bad policing, could it?
Not sure. Still waiting for you to explain what they should have done. PLEASE elaborate on what good policing would have looked like in this case.
Not in my hood wrote:
fasciz wrote:
I'm sorry that it frustrates you that I can easily see this was irresponsible policing without having to offer up the perfect way to handle it. That's the truth.
Don't be sorry. Just try and answer a simple question and try and gain some perspective. Why is that so hard?
I'm trying to teach you that my having a perfect solution is not necessary to see Chauvin's actions as inappropriate. I don't know why that is so hard.
Armstronglivs wrote:
If what was happening was "customary" we wouldn't be seeing the officers involved facing criminal charges.
When you say, "take a guess" why they had to restrain him, that's exactly what you are doing - guessing. He wasn't armed and posing a threat to their lives or anyone else's. Oh, yeah - he might have passed off a fake 20 dollar bill . .
The officers are only facing charges because the media threw a hissy-fit about it and a progressive DA felt the need to make an example of them.
Lol, yeah, he was just trying to "pass off a fake 20 dollar bill". I can think of all the times I've gotten away with that. 20's, 10's, even 5's - we all print out counterfeits and try to pass them off as real, right...? - nothing to see here.
Meanwhile back in reality, the guy was a violent, career-criminal, in the midst of committing a federal crime with a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system - just a typical situation that any one of us could find ourselves in any day of the week.
Floyd was a domestic terrorist that was committing an arrestable crime every day of the week. His time happen to come due last Memorial Day weekend when he consumed a lethal amount of fentanyl and decided to commit yet another crime.
Again: Chauvin walks and then has a strong case to sue the city and media for millions. Get ready for the: 1. riots that further destroy minority neighborhoods, 2. looting that result in the murder of people defending their homes/livelihoods, 3. a media narrative intent on intensifying the situation to drive ratings and ad dollars ($$$).
This post is worth analyzing. It is a mediocre attempt to deflect from the fentanyl overdose issue with strangely conflated arguments and appeals to emotion, all culminating in what they author really wanted to allege yet again (his reputation for this precedes him) – America is nothing but a racist country.
The author wants to immediately turn attention away from the drug overdose issue and back to an issue he is comfortable with; Chauvin’s knee restraint. But the author isn’t very good at this (certainly not as good as he thinks he is) and his transition is awkward at best (“the definition of drug overdose has expanded”). The author presumes the only possible cause of death is Chauvin’s knee restraint, by attempting to relegate the drug overdose to an irrelevancy. Note also the silly, conjured reference to “assisted dying” thrown in as a distraction/strawman, and then the appeal to emotion following the strawman (“he repeatedly begged for his life”). The author also resorts to hyped up rhetorical questioning when he ponders “what medical procedure Chauvin was following when he kept his knee on his neck” as if the police have clairvoyant knowledge of the type and amount of drugs a resisting arrestee has in their body, and are required to transform into paramedics when a certain thresholds are present.
The author then attempts to pretend there actually is no drug overdose issue with Floyd at all, suggesting that it is nothing but an unsupported message board claim (“as some here claim”). This is highly disingenuous. The author is knowledgeable enough about the Floyd death to know there is an independent autopsy/toxicology report on Floyd that reports he had lethal amounts of fentanyl and methamphetamine in his body. But the author is hoping that uninformed readers will now ponder whether there is such evidence or whether it is merely message board rhetoric.
Possibly realizing the weakness of his attempt at distraction from the drug overdose issues, and also perhaps unable to stop himself, the author then resorts to gross hyperbole with the assertion that it is “apparent that quite a few would give the police the right to execute people on the street that they see as a burden on society.” A quick review of the thread reveals that while there may have been some harsh remarks about Floyd’s past and current lifestyle, no one came close to the author’s exaggerated statements. This is a common technique practiced by politicos (e.g., Donald Trump) all the time - grossly mischaracterize your opponent's view, in hopes of making your own look more reasonable.
Lastly, we come to the real reason the author (Armstronglives) posted here (or anywhere for that matter). The author, who ironically has never set foot in America, has a compulsion with America bashing, particularly regarding racial issues. All of America is forever trapped in some kind of Jim Crow era in his view, and he seeks out any opportunity he can to express that. There is no evidence of racism in the Floyd case (at least yet), although the author is not alone in pretending and/or presuming there is. But I do suspect that even the author’s most hard-core comrades on the far left, even the ones who truly believe there is an epidemic of racist white cops roving around America's streets looking for black people to kill, have grown tired of his uninformed America bashing.
Not in my hood wrote:
fasciz wrote:
I don’t subscribe to the notion that you have to have a perfect solution to know that actions taken were unacceptable.
But you can't suggest a way that they could have handled the situation differently? That is what bothers me. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback a football game but we can't get anyone to ever do that in these rare, unfortunate policing situations.
For starters I wouldn’t have kneeled on his neck for 8 minutes. Let alone while he was handcuffed and laying on the ground on his front. Or continue to kneel on his neck long past the time he was unconscious. There was absolutely no reason for it and it resulted in his death.
Once he is handcuffed, sit him up. He isn’t going anywhere.
Not in my hood wrote:
I'll give you +100 if you can tell us what that looks like in detail. I'll even throw in a smiley face if it can be done without being insulting.
What bystanders in the video were pleading with the cop to do. In real time, not in hindsight, bystanders were begging the cops to get off Floyd's neck and check his pulse.
fasciz wrote:
Not in my hood wrote:
Don't be sorry. Just try and answer a simple question and try and gain some perspective. Why is that so hard?
I'm trying to teach you that my having a perfect solution is not necessary to see Chauvin's actions as inappropriate. I don't know why that is so hard.
I don't care if your solution is PERFECT. I'm guessing you don't have one and just are unwilling to admit it, which is fine. But, why so secretive if you are employed, an employer, or a student? You can even fib on this, it isn't a big deal - but not answering the question is annoying.
Not in my hood wrote:
fasciz wrote:
I'm trying to teach you that my having a perfect solution is not necessary to see Chauvin's actions as inappropriate. I don't know why that is so hard.
I don't care if your solution is PERFECT. I'm guessing you don't have one and just are unwilling to admit it, which is fine. But, why so secretive if you are employed, an employer, or a student? You can even fib on this, it isn't a big deal - but not answering the question is annoying.
Why should I entertain your tangents when we are still at an impasse on whether kneeling on Floyd's neck for that long, even while he was unconscious, was appropriate?
fasciz wrote:
Not in my hood wrote:
But you can't suggest a way that they could have handled the situation differently? That is what bothers me. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback a football game but we can't get anyone to ever do that in these rare, unfortunate policing situations.
I'm sorry that it frustrates you that I can easily see this was irresponsible policing without having to offer up the perfect way to handle it. That's the truth.
Normal people don’t have to micro manage or worry about the police, they only want to be protected from criminals and crazy people. Something woke liberals fail to understand.
if a person is thrashing around uncontrollably on the tarmac, in a road way, isnt it appropriate for a whole body restraint to stop him hurting themself?
they might have been smashing their head on the floor in some kind of fit. the officers just dont know.
possibly;
a gentle knee carefully restraining his head and neck along with others carefully restraining the rst of his body seemed to be preventing gf from doing himself further harm so the police officers thought it appropriate to continue a useful technique?
how deranged do you need to be to see that side of things?
Liberals and many African Americans are living in 1860.....They can't accept reality.
pupil3142 wrote:
if a person is thrashing around uncontrollably on the tarmac, in a road way, isnt it appropriate for a whole body restraint to stop him hurting themself?
a gentle knee carefully restraining his head and neck
This is exactly what I was taught in health class about epilepsy. Apply your knee to the neck of someone having a seizure to keep them from hurting themselves.
teamUnrulyBush wrote:
pupil3142 wrote:
if a person is thrashing around uncontrollably on the tarmac, in a road way, isnt it appropriate for a whole body restraint to stop him hurting themself?
a gentle knee carefully restraining his head and neck
This is exactly what I was taught in health class about epilepsy. Apply your knee to the neck of someone having a seizure to keep them from hurting themselves.
Exactly. And once they pass out, continue applying neck pressure.
detective billy mac wrote:
Not in my hood wrote:
But you can't suggest a way that they could have handled the situation differently? That is what bothers me. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback a football game but we can't get anyone to ever do that in these rare, unfortunate policing situations.
For starters I wouldn’t have kneeled on his neck for 8 minutes. Let alone while he was handcuffed and laying on the ground on his front. Or continue to kneel on his neck long past the time he was unconscious. There was absolutely no reason for it and it resulted in his death.
Once he is handcuffed, sit him up. He isn’t going anywhere.
Please enlighten us from your years of law enforcement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lCdY1VTufcPeople get out of cuffs all the time. Dude refused to sit down in a cop car (and was saying he couldn't breathe long before he was restrained). Tell us how you, a skinny distance runner, would control a muscular 6'4" 223# bouncer. You make it sound so easy. Police agencies across this nation should really hire you as a consultant since you have it all figured out.
Great video!
Here is one that shows why this is such a tough thing to try and fix -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIMeKmUuGlMGreat Post! +10000!!
detective billy mac wrote:
Not in my hood wrote:
But you can't suggest a way that they could have handled the situation differently? That is what bothers me. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback a football game but we can't get anyone to ever do that in these rare, unfortunate policing situations.
For starters I wouldn’t have kneeled on his neck for 8 minutes. Let alone while he was handcuffed and laying on the ground on his front. Or continue to kneel on his neck long past the time he was unconscious. There was absolutely no reason for it and it resulted in his death.
Once he is handcuffed, sit him up. He isn’t going anywhere.
Great, you posted what you wouldn't do. I'm guessing you have not seen all the video footage showing how long they tried to get him to sit in the police car while handcuffed?
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