Pac 12 XC Champs - Stanford men and women crush competition. Colorado's Herrera and UW's Herberg win ind. titles

birdbeard wrote:

Great run by Cole Sprout. Pretty good debut for Leo Daschbach (12th). I was a bit surprised to see EJ Holland 30 seconds back after he broke 4 indoors a few weeks ago.

It was definitely a good run from Sprout, but I'm surprised no one is mentioning the run by Charles Hicks for 2nd. Very impressive stuff.

southeastxccc wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

Great run by Cole Sprout. Pretty good debut for Leo Daschbach (12th). I was a bit surprised to see EJ Holland 30 seconds back after he broke 4 indoors a few weeks ago.

It was definitely a good run from Sprout, but I'm surprised no one is mentioning the run by Charles Hicks for 2nd. Very impressive stuff.

Hicks has been great this year. Sprout beat him in Tallahasse to open, but Hicks beat him soundly at Battle Born. I think Hicks is just a bit ahead of him at this point. Didn't mean to not acknowledge Hicks, but he's a year older than Sprout and I was just focusing on the true freshmen.

I'm pleasantly surprised by how well JJ has done in his short tenure -- both XC and track. Seems like Stanford is better than ever.

I am going to probably have to eat crow for saying that Powell is overrated as well, he seems to have his teams doing very well.

Herberg is the story of this meet.

Listed 5k pr of 15:40.

But, only 20th at Battle Born Collegiate XC Challenge two weeks ago, over 30 seconds behind Donoghu's winner.

Very good runner in SoCal hs, ok at Oklahoma before transferring, but only 118th or something at 2019 NCAAs for WA.

Don't know what all-of-a-sudden has made her possibly the pre-race favorite for NCAAs.

At least we know it's not the shoes :-)

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birdbeard wrote:

He's been an All-American at least once or twice in cross country. Has made a final or two in track. He's obviously made a bit of a jump this year. He was just a few seconds behind Nico Young at the Battle Born Challenge a few weeks ago. Clearly ready to roll -- looks like a T10 XC guy.

He was definitely a big talent out of CA in HS. Ran 1:52/4:04/9:00 or so, 5th at NXN, etc.

It's amazing how many of the HS studs from CA (Grijalva, Young, Teare, Herrera) seem to be doing pretty well.

And Callum Bolger was 9th today and Michael Vernau 29th (both same class as Teare and Grijalva).

Bower Man wrote:

Herberg is the story of this meet.

Listed 5k pr of 15:40.

But, only 20th at Battle Born Collegiate XC Challenge two weeks ago, over 30 seconds behind Donoghu's winner.

Very good runner in SoCal hs, ok at Oklahoma before transferring, but only 118th or something at 2019 NCAAs for WA.

Don't know what all-of-a-sudden has made her possibly the pre-race favorite for NCAAs.

At least we know it's not the shoes :-)

I am trying to digest this. She went from 5th at Silver State on Feb 1, 20 seconds behind O'Neill of NAU in 20:01.6 to 20:18 at Battle Born on same course to 19:02 on whatever length this course was today beating both Stanford girls who both beat O'Neill, and who beat her there by 30 seconds or so. I am wondering if the Stanford lead girls had an off day?

I'm a Stanford alumnus and I have to admit that I didn't like the hiring of JJ at the time. He was basically an 800m coach with no background at any university that is academically competitive (no offense to those schools, but being realistic here), so I didn't think it was a good fit for Stanford cross country/track. I'm happy to say that the evidence thus far is that I was totally wrong!

birdbeard wrote:

I'm pleasantly surprised by how well JJ has done in his short tenure -- both XC and track. Seems like Stanford is better than ever.

I am going to probably have to eat crow for saying that Powell is overrated as well, he seems to have his teams doing very well.

Did WA women get 1st? The results say they did, but the tv coverage said Stanford won and showed Stanford celebrating.

CCB wrote:

Did WA women get 1st? The results say they did, but the tv coverage said Stanford won and showed Stanford celebrating.

The results say Stanford won. You are likely viewing the results at 2K.

Ahh, you are right, thanks.

Wait Daschbach actually ran a race!!!!?????

old farm alum wrote:

I'm a Stanford alumnus and I have to admit that I didn't like the hiring of JJ at the time. He was basically an 800m coach with no background at any university that is academically competitive (no offense to those schools, but being realistic here), so I didn't think it was a good fit for Stanford cross country/track. I'm happy to say that the evidence thus far is that I was totally wrong!

What do you think about all the ringers on the mens side? A convict and a guy with bad teeth. Not the typical Stanford brand.

The other story of the day is how half of the conference has abandoned their cross country programs. Pretty much 6th place on back on the men's side and 7th on back on the women's would have a hard time competing in a mid-major conference, not to mention the teams that didn't show up like Oregon & USC's women. Looks like those are mostly pursuing the USC track and field model? I don' t necessary blame them...it clearly works if you do it right. Just unfortunate the Pac12 can no longer claim best distance/XC conference in the country...

birdbeard wrote:

I'm pleasantly surprised by how well JJ has done in his short tenure -- both XC and track. Seems like Stanford is better than ever.

I am going to probably have to eat crow for saying that Powell is overrated as well, he seems to have his teams doing very well.

agree-plenty of doubters after his hire in 2109---he is getting more Women's titles for Pac-12's than Milt did in 7 years with all of the talent that he had at his disposal; though this team is almost all Milt's recruits, the guy knows how to finish the product!

birdbeard wrote:

Dwightarm wrote:

Wow, I've never even heard of this Eduardo Herrera guy. Didn't expect him to win.

He's been an All-American at least once or twice in cross country. Has made a final or two in track. He's obviously made a bit of a jump this year. He was just a few seconds behind Nico Young at the Battle Born Challenge a few weeks ago. Clearly ready to roll -- looks like a T10 XC guy.

He was definitely a big talent out of CA in HS. Ran 1:52/4:04/9:00 or so, 5th at NXN, etc.

Definitely went sub 9 in the 3200( by a lot, I think it may have been like an 8:47) and he ran a 14:49 at woodward park. Since then he has been a solid performer and about the farthest thing from a nobody that a collegiate runner could be.

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birdbeard wrote:

He's been an All-American at least once or twice in cross country. Has made a final or two in track. He's obviously made a bit of a jump this year. He was just a few seconds behind Nico Young at the Battle Born Challenge a few weeks ago. Clearly ready to roll -- looks like a T10 XC guy.

He was definitely a big talent out of CA in HS. Ran 1:52/4:04/9:00 or so, 5th at NXN, etc.

It's amazing how many of the HS studs from CA (Grijalva, Young, Teare, Herrera) seem to be doing pretty well.

women's race winner Herberg also a former CA stud

Dwightarm wrote:

Wow, I've never even heard of this Eduardo Herrera guy. Didn't expect him to win.

He was All-American in cross as a freshman and has been in the mix since then. Where have you been?

Typical letsrun.

Great to see Stanford men and women having success.

Keep the tradition of excellence going!

In fact, here’s all 4 of them battling it out for the state championship in the 3200 (2017 state meet.). Heck of a class.

https://youtu.be/Imiw6YaIqzs