Run SMARTER, Not LAZIER! The Glorious 1600 (and a Tactic)!

Training Advice/Discussion 1500

3 years ago 03/02/2021 9:05pm EST

In the glorious 1600, to almost no avail, everybody goes SLOW on the third lap. I realize that it's because people are naturally wimpy, and use lap three to prep for a fast final lap. I see an opening here and am proposing a new sock knocker tactic! An ALL OUT third lap! It can't fail! You'll build the biggest gap ever (because everybody slacks off on the third lap), and by the final lap, you will be too far away from the opponents. They will NOT try to catch up to you because that's way too much work.

You will have so much adrenaline from being a beast on the third lap. Everybody will cheer for you like a hero! The last lap is always super fast anyway (even though lap three is the hardest). All that there is to do is hang on for dear life and try to make it out alive. Roger Bannister often did this "die" tactic and collapsed at completion.

What do y'all think? Have y'all ever tried this tactic before? Known of those who've done this tactics before? Does it work?

https://youtu.be/Ev5vqqs6MEE

3 years ago 03/02/2021 9:23pm EST

re: Sham 69

When kip keino came onto the scene he shocked everyone by running hard from the gun as opposed to the hit 1200 in 3:02 and kick mentality

He also had some spectacular fails like one race vs Liquori where he was on world record pace, died and just stopped trying and started to jog it in.

Strembler in the video also got humiliated by Webb and literally went home devastated thanks to the 2004 trials

https://youtu.be/T0AkiMl-sHE

3 years ago 03/02/2021 9:42pm EST

re: Sham 69

Sham 69 wrote:
In the glorious 1600, to almost no avail, everybody goes SLOW on the third lap. I realize that it's because people are naturally wimpy, and use lap three to prep for a fast final lap. I see an opening here and am proposing a new sock knocker tactic! An ALL OUT third lap! It can't fail! You'll build the biggest gap ever (because everybody slacks off on the third lap), and by the final lap, you will be too far away from the opponents. They will NOT try to catch up to you because that's way too much work.
You will have so much adrenaline from being a beast on the third lap. Everybody will cheer for you like a hero! The last lap is always super fast anyway (even though lap three is the hardest). All that there is to do is hang on for dear life and try to make it out alive. Roger Bannister often did this "die" tactic and collapsed at completion.
What do y'all think? Have y'all ever tried this tactic before? Known of those who've done this tactics before? Does it work?
https://youtu.be/Ev5vqqs6MEE

This was always my tactic in HS. I never had "wheels", :56 400m speed in a relay.

So coming off the turn for the home stretch to finish the first 800m I would try to push. This is where I would always try to pass or take the lead. My goal was to take the speed out of the guys who had it before we hit that last 300m. It would be a concerned effort to push the straights, fend off the curves, then long push/sprint from 400m out.

Was able to win Conference and set the school record (4:28) while beating a teammate who had a better 400m by 2sec and better 800m by 4. We were basically tied at 1600 and I had him by 10-15sec in the 3200 (9:32, also school record).

This was 25 yrs ago and the records I beat were 20-30 yrs old and I don't see it changing anytime soon given the size of the school and lack of a good coach now. RIP Coach K!

Alan

3 years ago 03/02/2021 9:55pm EST

re: Runningart2004

Good memories.....

My 3200m tactics were similar. If just going for the win just stay on the hip of whoever wanted to lead then with 4 laps left zoom zoom. Then zoom again on lap 7 if needed.

1996 Indiana State Meet....everyone goes out in :63 because kids are kids....I hang back in last place in :66 and that was still too fast for me. I pass 90% of the field just by not slowing down like a rock and with 1600m left we have a good 5-10 guys within arm's reach through 1600m in 4:43ish. I take the lead on the back end of lap 5 and hold it for maaaaaasybe 200m if I am being generous. Got passed and with 200m left we have a good group still. Winner ran a 2:12 last 800m I ran a 2:20 last 800m and got passed by two guys in the lat 100m going from 5th to 7th, I could reach out and touch 5th at the line we were so close. Ran 9:32 and my best HS race. Winner was 9:24.

Alan

3 years ago 03/03/2021 1:43am EST

re: Sham 69

It seems your tactic

Will leave you drowning in lactic

And likely feeling asthmatic

With legs less than elastic

A final lap that’s anticlimactic

Not to be too didactic

But I must be emphatic

That your finish will be traumatic

3 years ago 03/03/2021 1:52am EST

re: Hedjd

Hedjd wrote:
It seems your tactic
Will leave you drowning in lactic
And likely feeling asthmatic
With legs less than elastic
A final lap that’s anticlimactic
Not to be too didactic
But I must be emphatic
That your finish will be traumatic

this is GREAT

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