Yes or No: Minneapolis police officers involved in George Floyd arrest should be acquitted

Had D.C. actually wanted to kill G.F. he could have done it way quicker and without hardly anyone noticing. The fact that G.F. was loaded on drugs and resisted arrest will be all that is needed for an acquittal.

Those that want to blame the police for this will not be happy, but at some point personal responsibility and compliance to the requests of law enforcement needs to be re-established.

Acquitted from murder yes, but I could see manslaughter sticking.

Evidence of kneeling on someone's neck or back is going to be shown in court as a standard way of restraining someone. They do it all the time and people do not normally die. There are a couple instances now where they have died from it, so it should simply stop being a standard way of restraining someone. They shouldn't be charged with murder for doing what they're trained and told to do.

Murder means unlawful premeditated killing of a human being. I do not think that cop meant to kill him in front of the entire world. He thought he was restraining him waiting for the medics to come and sedate him. He was in that position because he started freaking out when they put him in the cop car, yes he was already in the cop car, and so they took him out and restrained him so he'd stop freaking out and when the paramedics arrived they would sedate him so that he can return to the cop car without making a fuss.

Great post, but how does one restrain another without using some sort of force? Anytime some sort of force is used, there is always a chance for an injury. I read a stat that in Minnesota the technique used on G.F. had been used hundreds of times in the past with no fatalities. It's unfortunate that one mistake cost so many lives in protests, in livelihoods, and in property damage all because one person resisted arrest.

Yes... And then he'll turn around and sue the city for millions...

DC used proven, department-approved restraining methods and it just so happened that GW, after a lengthy display of resisting arrest, had a lethal amount of meth in his system which ultimately killed him. Put one of your friends in that restraining hold, they can breath just fine.

Furthermore, GW was a urban-terrorist. Everyone in that neighborhood was elated when they heard this career criminal and drug addict had died. Until outside-activists burned down that neighborhood, life was going to be better for the locals following GW's overdose.

My concern, given the emotional, irrationality of BLM and their supporters is how you get DC, his lawyer, and the jury out of the courthouse and into a safe place following the exoneration. No doubt, these BLM lunatics (and I mean lunatics, these people are mentally disturbed) will surround the courthouse with thousands of people with the express purpose of "taking matters into their own hands" and "making sure justice occurs".

Also, according to the toxicology report, GW had the Chinese Virus - so based on how we count these things, the true cause of death was probably Covid-19.

*GW = GF = George F.

In a study of fentanyl overdoses in Connecticut a while back every patient that had a blood serum concentration of fentanyl on a par with Floyds when they were found died. There should be a reasonable doubt in most individuals minds that the restraint technique was the root cause of Floyd's death. It is also worth questioning if the EMTs administered narcan when they picked him up or if they gave him a sedative (Floyd never admitted to using any drugs, so they may not have) and they may have given him a sedative that would have further depressed his respiratory system.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6604a4.htm

There is sufficient evidence of reasonable doubt in this case.

DC should not be convicted of Murder 1. Possible Murder 2 but most likely will be convicted of Manslaughter. GF was on the ground, face down, and his wrists were restrained. He should have been placed in the back of a patrol car and booked into the county jail. If he needed medical clearance prior to being booked that could have been obtained.

The other police officers involved should be disciplined to the level of their involvement. All of which would be less than Manslaughter.

I don’t believe that continuing to kneel on a suspect’s neck for several minutes after rendering them unconscious has been used hundreds of times.

Similarly, there are times when using a taser is appropriate but I don’t know that continuing to tase them for nearly 10 minutes would ever be appropriate.

fasciz wrote:

Court of LAWS wrote:

Great post, but how does one restrain another without using some sort of force? Anytime some sort of force is used, there is always a chance for an injury. I read a stat that in Minnesota the technique used on G.F. had been used hundreds of times in the past with no fatalities. It's unfortunate that one mistake cost so many lives in protests, in livelihoods, and in property damage all because one person resisted arrest.

I don’t believe that continuing to kneel on a suspect’s neck for several minutes after rendering them unconscious has been used hundreds of times.

Similarly, there are times when using a taser is appropriate but I don’t know that continuing to tase them for nearly 10 minutes would ever be appropriate.

That would be correct. How long was G.F. unconscious of the 8:00 minutes plus he was on the ground?

He wasn't face down and the reason he was on the ground was because he wouldn't get into the squad car...Did you even watch the video?

runnerboy70 wrote:

He wasn't face down and the reason he was on the ground was because he wouldn't get into the squad car...Did you even watch the video?

It's obvious that most people do not know all the details in this case, just like most were unwilling to believe that Jakob Blake had a knife and also resisted arrest. Luckily he admitted he had a knife and Kenosha only had to face one major period of riots/destruction/etc. and not a second period of that after the court case. BLM should donate all of their 90+ million that rolled in last year to help all of those that had their businesses destroyed by the peaceful protesters!

runnerboy70 wrote:He wasn't face down and the reason he was on the ground was because he wouldn't get into the squad car...Did you even watch the video?

GF was on his stomach in a prone position more or less. His head was turned to the side but that is considered face down. His airway was being restricted by officer DC for far too long. Despite GF's refusal to get into a police car willingly there are ways to assists detained persons to enter such vehicles/vans involving other officers.

Justice Needed wrote:

runnerboy70 wrote:He wasn't face down and the reason he was on the ground was because he wouldn't get into the squad car...Did you even watch the video?

GF was on his stomach in a prone position more or less. His head was turned to the side but that is considered face down. His airway was being restricted by officer DC for far too long. Despite GF's refusal to get into a police car willingly there are ways to assists detained persons to enter such vehicles/vans involving other officers.

Can you elaborate on this? Is it good to put people messed up on drugs in the back of a police car to thrash around and injury themselves further? Being a Police Officer is a tough job, especially when working with people who want nothing to do with you and know that jail is not where they want to go, again.

If they are found innocent, yes.

It not, no.

Court of LAWS wrote:

fasciz wrote:

I don’t believe that continuing to kneel on a suspect’s neck for several minutes after rendering them unconscious has been used hundreds of times.

Similarly, there are times when using a taser is appropriate but I don’t know that continuing to tase them for nearly 10 minutes would ever be appropriate.

That would be correct. How long was G.F. unconscious of the 8:00 minutes plus he was on the ground?

For too long.

fasciz wrote:

For too long.

Was that one minute? Two minutes? 30 seconds?

If D.C. would have gotten off at any point and then G.F. began thrashing around and smashed his face into the pavement would you be the one saying D.C. should have maintained him in a subdued position until he medics arrived, or would you be okay with him smashing his own face into the pavement ?

Court of LAWS wrote:

If D.C. would have gotten off at any point and then G.F. began thrashing around and smashed his face into the pavement would you be the one saying D.C. should have maintained him in a subdued position until he medics arrived, or would you be okay with him smashing his own face into the pavement ?

You really don't know the answer to whether or not I think he should've taken the knee off of the suspect that he rendered unconscious?

Answer: Yes, I would have been okay with it. Further, it is hard for an unconscious person to thrash around.

fasciz wrote:

Court of LAWS wrote:

If D.C. would have gotten off at any point and then G.F. began thrashing around and smashed his face into the pavement would you be the one saying D.C. should have maintained him in a subdued position until he medics arrived, or would you be okay with him smashing his own face into the pavement ?

You really don't know the answer to whether or not I think he should've taken the knee off of the suspect that he rendered unconscious?

Answer: Yes, I would have been okay with it. Further, it is hard for an unconscious person to thrash around.

How often are you dealing with people hooped up on drugs and alcohol?

Court of LAWS wrote:

runnerboy70 wrote:

He wasn't face down and the reason he was on the ground was because he wouldn't get into the squad car...Did you even watch the video?

It's obvious that most people do not know all the details in this case, just like most were unwilling to believe that Jakob Blake had a knife and also resisted arrest. Luckily he admitted he had a knife and Kenosha only had to face one major period of riots/destruction/etc. and not a second period of that after the court case. BLM should donate all of their 90+ million that rolled in last year to help all of those that had their businesses destroyed by the peaceful protesters!

Agree with this. Another incident is the one Rochester that was taken way out of context where the cops were found not a fault. For those who didn't follow that one the cops were accused of killing the man. They were called by his family member because he was high as a kite and out naked in the street during a snowstorm. The cops tried to help him then he started spitting on them saying he had Covid, this happened at the start of the outbreak when people thought Covid was the plague. They put a breathable cover over his head which is standard police protocol when someone is spitting on you. The guy OD'd and passed away. News outlets tried to claim they but a bag on his head to suffocate him. Once the media sets the narrative it is hard to shake.

The Kenosha one was clearly misrepresented and caused mass damage and suffering. Never saw any apologies from the media on any of these.

I don't think the George Floyd one is anywhere near as clean-cut as either as those two. It definitely does not fit easily into either narrative either side wants to put it in. Which means it probably will be hard to get a conviction for murder 2. The police were treating him well and then he went nuts and struggled out of the cop car. Drugs could have been his cause of death or contributing factor. The fact that the examiner who did the autopsy said if he was found dead in a house we would assume it was an OD is a pretty strong defense. That release really appeared to be put out in a way to try and hedge against violence.