February 28, 2021. The day the Japanese broke the marathon. 40 - YES 40 - Japanese men just broke 2:10 at Lake Biwa

Seems he was wearing Asics Prototypes.

Mostly acknowledging the effects of "low pressure" shoes. Legs feeling better and having energy later in the race.

Toshinari Takaoka was 140 pounds and he did just fine in Chicago 2002 in similar conditions.

The idea that Marathon runners need to be lighter than this to compete with the best is a red herring.

tough gig wrote:

Toshinari Takaoka was 140 pounds and he did just fine in Chicago 2002 in similar conditions.

The idea that Marathon runners need to be lighter than this to compete with the best is a red herring.

Takaoka was around 1:85cm tall (6 fr +)

Toshinari Takaoka, (24/09/1970)

Height 6ft2/weight 141

This Japanese runner, in my book, was the best Japanese runner of all time thanks to his range from a 340 1500 m equal to 358 mile up to a 206 marathon. No other Japanese runners can match this range to my knowledge. Monster Runner absolute monster!

1500 Metres 3:40.20 Dessau (GER) 16 JUL 1999 1104

3000 Metres 7:41.87 Sevilla (ESP) 28 MAY 1999 1165

5000 Metres 13:13.40 Hechtel (BEL) 01 AUG 1998 1161

10,000 Metres 27:35.09 Palo Alto, CA (USA) 04 MAY 2001 1171

10 Miles Road 46:19 Karatsu (JPN) 09 FEB 1997 1130

Half Marathon 1:01:07 Yamaguchi (JPN) 09 MAR 2003 1146

30 Kilometres 1:29:23 Kumanichi (JPN) 18 FEB 2001 1162

Marathon 2:06:16 Chicago, IL (USA) 13 OCT 2002 1229

Takaoka - outsize giant (6.2) Japanese runner, 3:40 (1500), 2:06 (thon). Monster outlier in terms of size and range of distances.

Cancun wrote:

rojo wrote:

The winner's splits are amazing.

Osaka's NR was 2::05:29 coming in. After hitting halfway in 1:02:36, thigns were going fantastic thorugh 30k. But from 30 to 35k, they slowed and ran their first 5k split over 15:00 - 15:02 and were on just 2:05:24 pace.

But from 35k to 40k, he ran 14:39 (beating the 2nd place guy by nearly a minute). Then for the final 2.195 he went WAY faster. He ran that in 6:16 which is 14:16.5 pace

Man I wish you’d stick to running posts instead of political stuff, pretending to be a registered Democrat.

Great information, thank you.

As opposed to you Cancun, who is a registered Democrat. How DO you live with yourself Cancun?

Yes, thanks Christophe, it goes to show how Japanese distance runners aren't all the same.

If more interest and money was generated for shorter races too, they could be more competitive on the World stage.

Takaoka training. 40km runs at 3 mins/km.

Yamaguchi - 6hr training runs at 5mins/km.

Ghost1 wrote:

Yamaguchi - 6hr training runs at 5mins/km.

"Yamaguchi’s PB of 2:22:12 came relatively late in her career in her ninth marathon. The audience was again surprised to hear that her training had been similar to the kind of approach common among amateurs."

On that point, are they referring to her 40 km runs and 20 and 30 km runs? And/or her 6h training runs?

Her 6hr training runs at a steady 8min/mile pace was probably at around 65% HRmax (or less), but the cardiac drift over that length of time would be interesting to see.