I wouldn't like to be a Japanese selector choosing a team for the Olympics.
I wouldn't like to be a Japanese selector choosing a team for the Olympics.
Gotta love the guy with a 2:28 PB busting out a 2:06... jumping from hobby-jogger to world-class in one race. Or is 2:06 even world-class anymore? Head spinning...
wow
epohit wrote:
Short course?
I am seriously thinking the same thing that it’s a short course what really astonished me was Yuki Kawauchi running 2:07 and he is well past his best. No disrespect. When you see so many pbs it definitely seems to be short but if it’s the super shoes then “yea”super shoes are the “winners.”
On that subject I assume Kawauchi did not wear the super shoes as he is still with ASICS unless they have their own version of the super shoes? Maybe we should ask Julien Wanders?
This was from the Ekiden 2020
The full breakdown according to bunshun dot jp (I would post link but can't anymore) which I think pulled their information from @EKIDEN_News :
【2020年箱根駅伝のシューズ内訳】
・Nike 177(VaporFly Next%)
・Mizuno 9(prototype 7+other Mizuno 2)
・New Balance 9(prototype 1+Fuel Cell 7+ミムラボ model 1)
・Adidas 7(prototype 3+other Adidas 4)
・Asics 7(prototype 3+ソーティ4)
・デサント 1
My guess is that this course this year is approximately 1 km (3” to 3.30”) short. If I am wrong on that may “karma” do it’s justified spell on me in my future life
So before this race, how many Japanese men had run under 2:10? And now what is the count? I feel like they could have almost doubled thar number.
sub sub elite local hobby jogger wrote:
So before this race, how many Japanese men had run under 2:10? And now what is the count? I feel like they could have almost doubled that number.
Not close to doubling but still a good increase. Answering my own question, I looked at the World Athletics all time lists. Before 2021, 120 Japanese men had run under 2:10. Before 2020, it was 97 Japanese men. These are pretty remarkable year-on-year increases for just one country.
This is not shocking at all. It comes down to:
1. Super shoes
2. A lack of racing opportunities due to COVID
3. Runners that have built incredible base fitness over the past year without being over raced
4. Japan - they love the marathon and their runners fully commit to it (Contrast to Westerners that try to be 5K/10K/Marathon runners simultaneously and are mediocre at all three)
I love the new rationale for all these records being that the athletes have all trained super hard during a pandemic.
It's the footwear...
Soon someone will go sub 2, the majority of casual fans will never have heard about him and the uproar will begin.
It's farcical .
Ghost1 wrote:
My guess is that this course this year is approximately 1 km (3” to 3.30”) short. If I am wrong on that may “karma” do it’s justified spell on me in my future life
Obviously the course was not short lol. After all there also were guys who ran similar times before. Just don't underestimate the power of marathon country+super shoes. If even in the US some nobodys can go sub2:10 at the marathon project even more japanese guys will do the same nowadaxs
And as already mentioned in another thread Kawauchi wears an asics prototype now. Same shoe with which Julien Wanders already was pictured in Iten.
It would interesting to know the personal bests of all those sub 2:10 minute runners for their 10,000 m times. I am guessing that most of those guys outside the top 10 are in the 29:00 -29:30 minute range for 10,000 m. Normally one would think it would take a 28:00-28:30 runner to achieve sub 2:10. These Japanese have an insane ability to run close to their native speed for a long time.
tough gig wrote:
I wouldn't like to be a Japanese selector choosing a team for the Olympics.
Well, since the team's already set, that should be no problem.
Ghost1 wrote:
epohit wrote:
Short course?
I am seriously thinking the same thing that it’s a short course what really astonished me was Yuki Kawauchi running 2:07 and he is well past his best. No disrespect. When you see so many pbs it definitely seems to be short but if it’s the super shoes then “yea”super shoes are the “winners.”
On that subject I assume Kawauchi did not wear the super shoes as he is still with ASICS unless they have their own version of the super shoes? Maybe we should ask Julien Wanders?
Didn't see pictures, but isn't it likely the same thing Sara Hall has been in?
Who was the first Master (40+)?
Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:
This is not shocking at all. It comes down to:
1. Super shoes
2. A lack of racing opportunities due to COVID
3. Runners that have built incredible base fitness over the past year without being over raced
4. Japan - they love the marathon and their runners fully commit to it (Contrast to Westerners that try to be 5K/10K/Marathon runners simultaneously and are mediocre at all three)
I don't disagree with #1-3, but #4 is a big difference between Japan and USA. As posted in the (comical, really) thread about Rupp allegedly going to win in Tokyo, the only decent runners who have come out of the US lately have gone through the NCAA system. The marathon is an afterthought as their careers are on the way out. This has been less true in the past. Salazar ran one while still at Oregon. It was always the main event in his mind. This is explained in his autobiography. He had done several by the age at which Rupp first considered it. It's fine to focus on school-sanctioned running, but if no schools consider the marathon a valid event, you produce no marathoners without some shunning the school system.
How many Japanese athletes train at altitude?
So confused... wrote:
Why does everyone on this board get angry and intolerant if someone does not vote democrat? The mentality is "I'm open minded, as long as you also vote democrat. Otherwise, I don't know you and believe I am better than you."
You ARE confused. Apropos handle.
And how does 1 country, less than 1/2 the size of Texas SO outperform 'America'??? C'mon Texas, up your game.
Kengo Suzuki, 11/June/1995
5000 Metres 13:57.88 Tokyo (JPN) 02 APR 2016 1007
10,000 Metres 27:49.16 Prefectural Stadium, Kumagaya (JPN) 19 SEP 2020 1149
15 Kilometres 44:18 Nijmegen (NED) 13 NOV 2016 1055
20 Kilometres 58:43 Tachikawa (JPN) 16 OCT 2016 1106
Half Marathon 1:01:53 Marugame (JPN) 02 FEB 2020 1115
Marathon 2:04:56 Otsu (JPN) 28 FEB 2021 1254