US Gymnastics ahole coach - abusive coaches can now be charged with human trafficking?!

Next they're going to call consensual sex between adults where one party pays the other "human trafficking"......

Oh wait.

byron evans wrote:

Next they're going to call consensual sex between adults where one party pays the other "human trafficking"......

Oh wait.

Um...you know they DON'T call that human trafficking, right?

WTF is wrong with you? Get help. This dude went suicide over his guilt and you defend as if you know details? We are talking about kids here

I think the point of the post was to make ref to the offence of being over demanding to a grossly unacceptable way is now under the offence of trafficking.

Unless you are earning big money as a coach who who risk coaching when all elite coaches could look to their coaching and say this is completely free from any possible charge of trafficking?

Same sort of thing in civil cases in the UK.

Most coaching in the Uk is voluntary; who would now take the risk?

These are the sounding I am getting: why bother.

no no more wrote:

Most coaching in the Uk is voluntary; who would now take the risk?

These are the sounding I am getting: why bother.

Lmao. What risk?

Just don’t sexually abuse your athletes and you won’t get charged.

Stay away from coaching...heck, maybe copy this guy... if you have those type of urges.

no no more wrote:

I think the point of the post was to make ref to the offence of being over demanding to a grossly unacceptable way is now under the offence of trafficking.

Unless you are earning big money as a coach who who risk coaching when all elite coaches could look to their coaching and say this is completely free from any possible charge of trafficking?

Same sort of thing in civil cases in the UK.

Most coaching in the Uk is voluntary; who would now take the risk?

These are the sounding I am getting: why bother.

Maybe I am not following the intent of the question and missing the details but to me human trafficking can only mean one thing. What am I missing? Seems this guy thought he was doing this so had the intent. No?

Geddert sadistically tortured and abused the kids under his care for the purpose of benefiting his bottom line. The legal definition of human trafficking in this case is the use of "force, fraud and coercion against the young athletes that came to him for gymnastics training for his own financial benefit." He told multiple kids specifically that if they dont stop eating/ignore injuries/perform better/etc. that it would impact HIS ability to recruit top girls to his gym and therefore impact his earnings. He routinely told girls they would never amount to anything without him, even contacted other coaches and organizations to undermine his athletes abilities to leave him and go elsewhere including having scholarships taken away from kids who jumped ship because of the abuse. He even pushed one kid so far that she wound up attempting suicide and his response was to call her into his office and scream at her for being "selfish" (ironic huh...) and force her in tears to apologize to HIM for doing something that could "ruin" him. These are the actions of an abusive pimp not a coach of underage athletes. These charges were carefully considered and utilized for the very purpose of putting him away for life since the abuse charges would have been contested and the one charge of lying for Nassar wouldnt have been enough to do that. The prosecutors took three years to carefully put a case together that wouldnt end in an abuser going free after a minimal sentence or getting off with just "counseling" (which he had already gotten away with once before). They wanted him removed from society forever. Thus the human trafficking charges.

So if you are a coach and the only thing you take from the case against this monster was that now anyone can get charged with human trafficking just for being a "tough" coach then you should probably reevaluate your career and your life. These are unconscionable extreme actions, not just having kids run a few more intervals when they are tired. Do you torture your athletes to make money from them? Do you abuse them mentally and physically so they dont hurt your reputation as a coach of top performers? Ridicule and intimidate them and undermine their ability to find success elsewhere? Force them to run on broken feet or with concussions or while violently ill? If the answer to any of those questions is not a categorical no then maybe you should be worried. But if you are just posting this to fuss about some slippery slope nonsense then I would urge you to think of the kids above yourself. Do you also think charging mob bosses with tax fraud and racketeering sets a dangerous precedent too?

Focusing on the coaching side.

With bad coaching being called trafficking then nearly all elite coaching would struggle to prove it was not under cross examination in the dock.

macdaddy og 3 wrote:

no no more wrote:

Most coaching in the Uk is voluntary; who would now take the risk?

These are the sounding I am getting: why bother.

Lmao. What risk?

Just don’t sexually abuse your athletes and you won’t get charged.

Stay away from coaching...heck, maybe copy this guy... if you have those type of urges.

My comment purposely excluded the sexual element.

I thought he was delivering these girls to the gymnastics doctor Larry Nassar for Nassar to also sexually abuse them.

I thought that was the human trafficking.

* wrote:

I thought he was delivering these girls to the gymnastics doctor Larry Nassar for Nassar to also sexually abuse them.

I thought that was the human trafficking.

Don’t think so.

Think the Nasser element of the multi charges was that he was sort of aware but did nowt.

The “excessive “ coaching was the trafficking matter.

A big problem for gymnastics is that such was the norm and started with Eastern Bloc coaching and such most prob is still the norm there.

This thread has weirdly become a magnet for day drinkers, if not NAMBLA creeps.

Smoke weed, talk sh!t like Lane MF Kiffin. wrote:

This thread has weirdly become a magnet for day drinkers, if not NAMBLA creeps.

Not too bright, are you?

macdaddy og 3 wrote:

no no more wrote:

Most coaching in the Uk is voluntary; who would now take the risk?

These are the sounding I am getting: why bother.

Lmao. What risk?

Just don’t sexually abuse your athletes and you won’t get charged.

Stay away from coaching...heck, maybe copy this guy... if you have those type of urges.

Encouraging someone to commit suicide is a crime.

You are trash.