Eating meat is morally indefensible

hmmmmmmmmmm wrote:

We should be eating dogs and horses in the US. Lot of dogs and horses being killed at shelters and good free meat going to waste. Not joking.

We need to start a hot dog movement.

dude3000 wrote:

Growing up in PA deer hunting season was practically a holiday. We got the first day of the season off from school. It was much more humane for a deer to die quickly from a bullet through the heart than to slowly starve to death as the food supply dwindled with the onset of winter. If you had a choice between being shot and dying rapidly or slowly starving to death over the course of several weeks or months, which would you choose?

In a similar vein, race horses who are past both their racing and breeding primes are sometimes sold to meat packers in other countries, China was, maybe still is, a big market. The horses often ended up as dog food. Some years back Kentucky outlawed selling old horses to meat packers because it seemed inhumane. What happened was that the horses died pretty much the lingering deaths you describe, starvation, lingering illness and pain because there was no one to feed and otherwise look after them.

That would be the likely fate of billions of cattle,pigs, chickens, etc. if suddenly everyone stopped eating meat. No rancher in Nebraska or Montana, etc. is going to hire a private plane to fly over his cattle heard dropping hay bales to keep them from starving after a blizzard has covered up all their grazing land.

The consensus amongst world class chefs and sustainable agriculture operators is that the world can still consume meat on a celebratory basis. Make it a once or twice a week event for one meal. That way we can stop destroying our bodies and the planet. It's ethically and morally sound.

If this happens to me can u just shoot me. I mean I think it already has but I am kind of hanging on!

If a Chinese dog ate me, to be honest, I would be really fukked off.

I also think what you may be missing is the consequences of short-term legislation and long-term.

But wow. I cannot be serious for a moment.

Yes, we should lock up all carnivores and omnivores immediately. Take a look at nature, species are at war with other species.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zOarcL1BSc

We are just as morally defensible as all the others.

Predatory animals have no ability to produce food other than to kill other animals. Humans do. It is not necessary for our survival to grow billions of animals which live a short terrible life before we slaughter them.

i am a revolutionary wrote:

Predatory animals have no ability to produce food other than to kill other animals. Humans do. It is not necessary for our survival to grow billions of animals which live a short terrible life before we slaughter them.

But you’re ok with slaughtering living plants?

hmmmmmmmmmm wrote:

We should be eating dogs and horses in the US. Lot of dogs and horses being killed at shelters and good free meat going to waste. Not joking.

Then go ahead and kill and eat your dog

Plants are not sentient. Additionally, we have to eat something. On the basis of what is necessary for human survival it is less morally wrong to eat plants than animals. Of course one could go the path of jainism and only eat plants that are already starting to die such as an apple once it has fallen from the tree but not before. Though this is not possible to sustain an entire country on. However, it is possible for all or at least the majority of Americans to survive with no animal meat.

Beyond Meat just struck a deal with McDonald's and Yum Brands. I'm curious as to what the carbon footprint is for Beyond Meat as compared to an industrial meat farm.

When I get chicken wings I eat the cartilage too because I like the gritty crunch of something that used to facilitate movement of a living being, being ground to paste inside of my flesh to energy converter.

the clear answer wrote:

When I get chicken wings I eat the cartilage too because I like the gritty crunch of something that used to facilitate movement of a living being, being ground to paste inside of my flesh to energy converter.

The gritty stuff replaces and builds the gritty stuff in your body. The best way to build and repair muscle is to eat muscles of other animals.

Maybe some religions could argue it’s immoral NOT to eat meat. I think some sects of Islam need to slaughter an animal for the Eid al-Adha holiday to fulfill their deity’s request. I would think there are many religious and/or cultural examples of NOT eating animals to be immoral. It’s all in the point of view

I don't think it's immoral. The only argument you could make against it is that it's bad for the environment, but I don't think someone should have to give up something they enjoy if it makes a miniscule impact overall. If there was some law passed saying everyone had to cut down on meat, then it'd be fine, but I don't think I'm morally compelled to stop doing something if the overall impact will be essentially nothing.

And I don't think it's immoral to kill an animal for food. I can't think of a reason it would be more immoral to kill a pig than it would be to kill a spider or something.

Meat tastes good.

That's enough moral justification for me. Although quite honestly, I don't eat a ton of meat.

So, what other moral judgments can you pass along to us, oh great one?

I hope you are trolling. If you purchased one cow and your family ate that cow over several months, you would be responsible for one death for all of those calories. If you replaced those calories with vegetables, many more animals would be killed in the process of farming those vegetables.