Help choosing a “Super” training shoe

npurdy1112 wrote:

highhoppingworm wrote:

It's a very different shoe than the Next%. Much more like the Alphafly.

It is also about 800% more durable.

Agree on the first but not the second.

The pair I bought are tearing apart on the outsole just behind the airbags. Best part is Nike wont warranty that as a defect. I went to write a review on Nikes website and there were others with the same problem. Just FYI before anyone goes and spends $200 on an uptempo shoe. I replaced them with Next%

Npurdy. You probably damaged them doing burpees inbetween 2 mile repeats.

Lift Run Play Chess wrote:

They're better than the Endorphin Speeds IMO and you can get them cheaper too. Speeds basically don't go on sale ($160) and Tempo Next has been $150 for several months now at certain retailers.

Care to share which retailers?

revolution runner wrote:

Vaporfly or if you can't find them in your size go for the Revolution 5.

Is the Nike Revolution thing a joke? I’ve seen a few people mention it on different threads and when I look it up it’s a $40 daily mileage shoe?

Tempo Next % are definitely the fastest show if you are able to take advantage of the zoom airpods in the forefoot. They were $150 at finish line for awhile.

I think the Endorphin Speed is the most versatile and feels better on foot while running. Amazing shoe for a long fast run (large volume at 5-10% slower than MP). The Zoom Fly FK is also good for LFRs, but a prefer the Speed due to lighter weight and feeling softer an more protective of the feet and legs.

Endorphin Speed

jvarunner wrote:

...They were $150 at finish line for awhile.

Thank you for the heads-up.

Great logic!

revolution runner wrote:

Vaporfly or if you can't find them in your size go for the Revolution 5.

Of course, my brother - every serious runner has a pair of Rev 5's in their arsenal

Picked up a pair of Endorphin Speeds a couple weeks ago and regret waiting so long. Talked a friend into buying a pair and I also got a pair for my wife. They’ve all been equally impressed.

Lots of 200-300 mile reviews of them saying they still feel excellent so the durability seems to be there. I have tried a few of the other options and this feels best to me. Noticeably less leg fatigue after a workout and it feels great when you’re doing faster efforts. I’ll probably use them to race an upcoming HM.

Only negative I have is track work. They feel a little unstable on the track and the foam is almost too much when paired with some track surfaces.

just get the Speeds. as of March 1st they're the best you can do. replace after 400 miles.

The Nike Pegasus Turbo 2 is a good option. Has the same foam and currently selling for around $100 on Amazon. I have a couple pairs and am thinking about getting a third.

Jack Daniels Calculator wrote:

jvarunner wrote:

...They were $150 at finish line for awhile.

Thank you for the heads-up.

Also at Dick's

Atreyu The Artist is $100.

I'm about to get a pair, and if they work, that's all I'll be wearing.

little brothers wrote:

Crazy money for a daily trainer though.

If your rotation is Invincible, Tempo Next and Vaporfly/Alpha then that is mad money for 3 shoes.

This is a good setup. I think the turbos were = invincible + tempos but that's long gone. Yes you can buy some reserve pairs but getting fewer and fewer available.

Invincibles are pretty good so far. Tempos are good for speed and then choose your poison for race effort.

But yeah fuick it. You can also wear a gen or two old pegs and save $$$ This is only if you want to go full VIP experience.

meat and lactators wrote:

Turbo 1 or 2 and vaporfly are a nice combo

I can do everyday training in my Turbo2 's , fast or slow . Vaporfly's for racing.

I guess the real test will be if I ever give up $40-$50 Bostons if someday I have the money to throw away on super-shoes for training.

Can't imagine a better daily trainer, they never injure me and they last forever.

shoo smoo wrote:

I guess the real test will be if I ever give up $40-$50 Bostons if someday I have the money to throw away on super-shoes for training.

Can't imagine a better daily trainer, they never injure me and they last forever.

If one is strategically training by Heart Rate (I'm not talking about MAF) in order to modulate intensity, then training in a shoe that is comfortable, doesn't injure you, and last's forever is perfectly fine. However, with regard to Boost, several years ago I bought an Ultraboost to understand what the hype was about. As soon as I left the store with a pair, I was bummed about the fact that there was so little Boost cushioning where I primarily wanted it, in the forefoot. I put a lot of miles on those shoes, but unfortunately, I think they contributed to my getting chronic pain in the right MTP joint. The shoes really softened up at that point, and with their high stack, push-off load was getting really scrunched and concentrated their. The shoes looked fine from outside appearance. However, recently when I cut their midsole open, I discovered the boost foam had developed some pretty large cracks at that location (hidden from outside view). YMMV.

*there

nike fly flyknit, great shoes, carbon plate, dead cheap