This record has stood for since 1974.
By far the longest standing outdoor men's AR. 2:13.9
Other long standing (pre 2000) ARs that can be attacked.
Johnny Gray 600 meters @ 1:12.81 in 1986
Jim Spivey 2000m @ 4:52.44 in 1987.
Kevin Young's 400m hurdles @ 46.78 in 1992.
I think all are somewhat vulnerable...even the 400m hurdles because of the existence of Raj Benjamin.
Although all are very tough (Gray's 600m!) -- which is why they still stand
Will Brazier (or Hoppel) try to take Rick Wolhuter's AR in the 1,000 meters?
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I think come the Olympics Donavan Brazier could be in 1:41 800 shape just making him so deadly, in addition, his passion for the 400 gives him a little edge over other guys in the 600. Sadly he's running more 1500s than 400s but he's doing very well for himself and I think American records in the 600-1k could be his with the right competition. I think Brazier can run 45 low for 400 and American record times in the 600-1k. I do think being in a race with Bryce hopple would elevate the chance of this happening because of how well he's running, with a 2:16 1k PR now this could be a record we see go down in the near future.
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The 600 and 1000 records are well within Brazier's wheelhouse, and the 1000 might be within Hoppel's. I think we will have to see if someone takes a good crack at the 2000 record, it's not that strong but all the 3:30 strength runners that could've taken it down are past their prime or out of the game entirely (Lagat, Centro, Webb) and now we're left with a number of young guys in the 3:33-3:35 range who will need a strong improvement to take it down.
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I think neither of them gets the 600. But they both have a shot at the 1000 record. Hoppel is already just 2.5 seconds away from it on an indoor track. Get him on an outdoor track with good pacer and when he's more sharp he can be right there. And Brazier can also be right there. Put them both in the same race, winner gets it.
1:47.00 for 800 and then maintaining another 26.89 last 200 gets it. I would think someone who can run 1:43 on that day, if they went through 1:47.00 they can grind out that last 200. -
I know it's not run very often, but the fact that the 1000m AR goes back to 1974 is pretty amazing. Rick never got the attention he deserved.
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1955 wrote:
I know it's not run very often, but the fact that the 1000m AR goes back to 1974 is pretty amazing. Rick never got the attention he deserved.
Agreed. Some idiot on these boards once made a hypothetical race where he’d finish 6th among all time Americans.
Rick was a baller and 2:13 is quick. -
It's not an Olympic distance so I doubt it's a priority for anyone.
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lost in t wrote:
1955 wrote:
I know it's not run very often, but the fact that the 1000m AR goes back to 1974 is pretty amazing. Rick never got the attention he deserved.
Agreed. Some idiot on these boards once made a hypothetical race where he’d finish 6th among all time Americans.
Rick was a baller and 2:13 is quick.
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2:13.9 is equal value to 1:43.9 for 800 or 3:32.6 for 1500. Not sure why that’s unbeatable... -
Oh great, the poor student is still around.
Obviously not 6th != unbeatable. Nice try. -
lost in t wrote:
Oh great, the poor student is still around.
Obviously not 6th != unbeatable. Nice try.
We’ve been through this before:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
jamesww wrote:
Wohlhuter only finishing 6th is a joke that invalidates it all.
It was kind of a joke that he equaled his AR in both the heats and final, but that’s because it seems like he’s the one American mid-distance great who came close to their potential at 1,000m.
What do you think is more likely: that Wohlhuter is the only one in the field who posted a 1,000m time of equal worth (that is to say, as close to their maximum potential) as their 800/1500 times—or that he had such exceptional ability over that specific distance?
Jonathan Kitilit, Robert Biwott and Kennedy Kimwetich all ran 2:13.x too—would you assume they’d all medal against this stellar field?
According to the IAAF 2:13.9 is equal worth to 1:43.9 and 3:32.6, which is within many of these guys’ wheelhouses.
The men I put ahead of him (Brazier, Ryun, Scott, Murphy, Symmonds) have all won Olympic or WC medals. The only one of them who hasn’t run faster at 800 or 1500 than Wohlhuter’s PBs (and the IAAF 2:13.9 1k equivalents) is Jim Ryun, who was no slouch.
Wohlhuter was great, no doubt about it. But honestly you seem like a rather mean person. -
That ain’t me sonny.
Keep telling yourself Scott and Symmonds and Murphy could’ve beaten the 46 year AR record holder. -
the 1k is a race that is not run very often. I can make a 1578 meter race and be the world record holder it that. The record isn't even worth a sub 1:43 conversion.
