steve the addict. wrote:
Yep face first baby. The problem is these cucks are so weak and conditioned to thi k like this, overprotective, afraid of everything, cancel and avoid anything that could offend anyone. At the end of the day this approach is ironically incredibly toxic and does way more harm than good.
Face first into HIV, Zika or Ebola? Way to go! Are you volunteering your face first?
You mean real scientists who are good at what they do like Jay Bhattacharya or Leonidas were right all along and lifelong beurocrat partisan hacks weren't? If only some of us had pointed this out in March and April instead of just repeating Orange Man Bad over and over again.
mask off/party on wrote:Nothing else can explain
Moran.
I only say "Moran" wrote:
mask off/party on wrote:Nothing else can explain
Moran.
What's your explanation: after 10 months, a significant percentage of new people suddenly started wearing masks? Gotta be it, right? Masks!
Ludicrous. It's the herd immunity, stupid.
mask off/party on wrote:
I only say "Moran" wrote:
Moran.
What's your explanation: after 10 months, a significant percentage of new people suddenly started wearing masks? Gotta be it, right? Masks!
Ludicrous. It's the herd immunity, stupid.
You mean after 10 months many are sick of wearing masks and are Anti-Biden and don't wear them because of him?
The number required for herd immunity can be anywhere from 70-90% by standard calculations. Recent articles having disputed the exact numbers. What is not disputed is that the number required to reach heard immunity is reached as Rt goes below 1. Rt is heavily affected by mitigation measures. In other words, the easier you make it for a disease to spread, the more people need to be immune to the disease in order to reach herd immunity.
So, while we may be approaching herd immunity in some locations under our current expectations of social distancing and mask wearing, should those expectations disappear, we are very likely to have another surge.
It is reasonable to suggest that all of our efforts might end up saving a bit over 150k lives. Some other countries will have saved a higher percentage of their citizens, others may have had very little effect on total lives lost
triple mask > double mask wrote:
Nothing else can even begin to explain the incredible drop in cases over the last six/seven weeks. Let this be a lesson for future pandemics: the only way through it is face first.
Great, when MERS, Ebola, or bird flu hit.....You're face first!
triple mask > double mask wrote:
Nothing else can even begin to explain the incredible drop in cases over the last six/seven weeks. Let this be a lesson for future pandemics: the only way through it is face first.
The vaccine can explain the drop in both infections and deaths in the last 6-7 weeks. Presumably, the vaccines are going to the people most likely to die of Covid, and if a million a day of them get a vaccine, deaths will decrease substantially and quickly. The same will be true of those number of people who decide they need to get tested when they have symptoms.
This is the benefit of targeted vaccination, you may be able to get a disproportionate bang for your buck.
1st vaccinations have reached 13% of the population, leaving them susceptible still of getting it, but fully vaccinated only comprise about 3% of the population. What actually is happening is more about the fact that in November and December, the virus spread far more than ever before and slowly states and individuals started taking more significant mitigation measures. The drops in the U.S. are more severe than in most other countries. As states and municipalities and individuals ease up, thinking something false like herd immunity is here, the drop rates will ease and we may even have significant increases again next month with the virus variants also spreading. Right now, we're still at very high daily rates, but thankfully much, much better than under Trump's last ugly days in office. The death rates are probably being reduced in part from vaccination of the elderly and exposed and in part from the mitigation measures decreasing infection rates. At an estimated 25-35% infected so far, roughly 110-135 million, plus maybe 35 million partly vaccinated, we still have maybe 150 million to vaccinate or get infected to get true herd immunity. Some places such as North or South Dakota may be a lot closer to herd immunity now. They paid in deaths. Had we all social distanced, we'd be within reach of the end of the pandemic with a greatly, greatly diminished death toll.
This is not technically herd immunity.
Covid is fairly specific on who it targets, and we have fewer of those around now.
Corphlough wrote:
triple mask > double mask wrote:
Nothing else can even begin to explain the incredible drop in cases over the last six/seven weeks. Let this be a lesson for future pandemics: the only way through it is face first.
The vaccine can explain the drop in both infections and deaths in the last 6-7 weeks. Presumably, the vaccines are going to the people most likely to die of Covid, and if a million a day of them get a vaccine, deaths will decrease substantially and quickly. The same will be true of those number of people who decide they need to get tested when they have symptoms.
6% of people getting vaccinated did not result in a nearly 80% drop in cases. Try again.
triple mask > double mask wrote:
It’s becoming obvious: herd immunity was the right strategy all along.
Of course herd immunity is the right strategy.
Sadly, whatever our current degree of herd immunity, it has been disproportionately achieved via infections rather than vaccinations.
mask off/party on wrote:
Corphlough wrote:
The vaccine can explain the drop in both infections and deaths in the last 6-7 weeks. Presumably, the vaccines are going to the people most likely to die of Covid, and if a million a day of them get a vaccine, deaths will decrease substantially and quickly. The same will be true of those number of people who decide they need to get tested when they have symptoms.
The number I saw this morning was over 20 percent.
6% of people getting vaccinated did not result in a nearly 80% drop in cases. Try again.
This is Jim Kiler wrote:
The number I saw this morning was over 20 percent.
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NYTimes homepage has it as 5.9% fully vaccinated, with another 7% having one dose (total 13% have one or more doses).
Truth is Here wrote:
Half a million dead and you dimwits are still saying this sh*t? F*ck Republicans.
Masks are silly pandemic theater, and people are social beings. Relying on people to sit alone at home for 18 months was always a foolish expectation. For a highly contagious infection, natural herd immunity was always going to happen faster than vaccine development (under current regulatory restrictions).
A great irony in all of this is that Moderna's vaccine was created months before a single person in the US had died of covid.
We could have had the same amount of death with far less restriction-induced suffering.
mask off/party on wrote:
Corphlough wrote:
The vaccine can explain the drop in both infections and deaths in the last 6-7 weeks. Presumably, the vaccines are going to the people most likely to die of Covid, and if a million a day of them get a vaccine, deaths will decrease substantially and quickly. The same will be true of those number of people who decide they need to get tested when they have symptoms.
6% of people getting vaccinated did not result in a nearly 80% drop in cases. Try again.
I'll "try again" by setting it in terms you are better able to understand. People 65 and over are 14% of the country. People over 65 are over 100 times more likely to die of Covid than someone in their 30s. People over 65 make up 85% of Covid deaths in the US.
Approximately 13% of the country has received one shot (which provide 50% effectiveness) and 4% of the country have received two shots (providing 90% effectiveness). PRESUMABLY, unless we are doing this incredibly stupidly, the people vaccinated fall almost entirely within the 65 and over category. So the 14% of the country most likely to die of Covid appears to be around 90% one shot vaccinated at this point.
Based on the two paragraphs above, you would expect to see a massive reduction in Covid deaths in the last 6-7 weeks.
Cases or infections is a product of the number of people tested, which is not the same as the number of people infected. People who get tested for Covid are largely people 65 and over, when they have symptoms. When people 65 and over are not having symptoms, they don't get tested. Based on that, you would expect to see falling infection/case rates from the fact that a large percentage of those over 65 have been vaccinated.