Nothing else can even begin to explain the incredible drop in cases over the last six/seven weeks. Let this be a lesson for future pandemics: the only way through it is face first.
Nothing else can even begin to explain the incredible drop in cases over the last six/seven weeks. Let this be a lesson for future pandemics: the only way through it is face first.
Half a million dead Americans.
Herd immunity is certainly the ultimate answer; but getting that immunity from vaccines is a *lot* better than people's getting it from contracting the virus--and possibly being sick, crippled, or killed as a result. Putting up with some real inconvenience until the vaccines are fully available was and *is* the right call.
But I know, I know: Most people who were likely to get ill or disabled or dead from the virus weren't like you, so they didn't *really* count. And having to change how you lived *your* life was very unfair amirite?
We’re hitting HI naturally. Same thing is happening all over the globe. Vaccines are only making a tiny dent at this point.
...and we would have ended up with the same death outcomes if we’d just soldiered through it initially, but without all the other lockdown/economic devastation/social distance/mask misery.
Sure... that's why the Lancet, the British Medical Journal, says that Trump's incompetence and lack of Covid leadership was responsible for 40 percent of our losses. ( 200,000!)
triple mask > double mask wrote:
We’re hitting HI naturally. Same thing is happening all over the globe. Vaccines are only making a tiny dent at this point.
...but somehow around the rest of the globe they didn't end up with over half a million dead. Somehow letting it spread like wildfire doesn't seem like it would have helped us there.
triple mask > double mask wrote:
...and we would have ended up with the same death outcomes . . .
Well, yeah, sure: Everybody who's alive now would eventually be dead. Hey, the same death outcomes!--true, but trivial, and ignoring the genuine human loss from this disease.
If not for Covid-19 my six fellow employees combined probably had a century or more of productivity in front of them. My former student and co-worker probably would have seen his children reach adulthood, would have had a chance to be a grandfather.
But hey, they weren't you and yours, so F*CK 'em amirite? You were being inconvenienced!
Speed over 60 wrote:
Sure... that's why the Lancet, the British Medical Journal, says that Trump's incompetence and lack of Covid leadership was responsible for 40 percent of our losses. ( 200,000!)
Take a look at the political affiliation of the governor in the states with all the deaths and continue to blame Trump. Look at the UK, Italy, and other European nations with higher death rates, worse economic outcomes and socialized medicine and try to convince me they had better results.
Herd immunity = millions dead.
If you're alright with that, fine. But it's just your opinion. Most would rather wear a mask and not go to a crowded bar for a year, than have millions die. So gtfo.
Swaglord_the_real_one_1_one_1 wrote:
Herd immunity = millions dead.
If you're alright with that, fine. But it's just your opinion. Most would rather wear a mask and not go to a crowded bar for a year, than have millions die. So gtfo.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that we clearly are already hitting herd immunity. Nothing else can explain the enormous, consistent drop in cases that is occurring right in the middle of what would traditionally be prime respiratory illness season.
The small percentage of people that have been immunized is helping, for sure, but it can't explain the enormity of the drop.
joed|rt wrote:
[quote]Speed over 60 wrote:
Look at the UK, Italy, and other European nations with higher death rates, worse economic outcomes and socialized medicine and try to convince me they had better results.
Uh huh. And Japan and South Korea and China had lower death rates, better economic outcomes, and socialized medicine--and a lot *better* results.
Hmm. So maybe Covid-19 outcomes are *independent* of whether a country has socialized medicine. Or maybe there are just a lot of other factors involved.
They are trying to explain the supposed drop in recent weeks to vaccinations.
Of course, there were much steeper drops here in the Northeast last May, June, etc.
[quote]aye4 wrote:
Half a million dead Americans.
Actually millions of American die every year.
The half million figure is people who died "with" Covid, many just presumed to have had it.
It's all on the CDC website.
Swaglord_the_real_one_1_one_1 wrote:
Herd immunity = millions dead.
If you're alright with that, fine. But it's just your opinion. Most would rather wear a mask and not go to a crowded bar for a year, than have millions die. So gtfo.
You fail to note that it's already been one full year with no end in sight to the restrictions and no mention of the lockdowns and how much damage those have done to hundreds of millions of Americans.
Yep face first baby. The problem is these cucks are so weak and conditioned to thi k like this, overprotective, afraid of everything, cancel and avoid anything that could offend anyone. At the end of the day this approach is ironically incredibly toxic and does way more harm than good.
mask off/party on wrote:
Swaglord_the_real_one_1_one_1 wrote:
Herd immunity = millions dead.
If you're alright with that, fine. But it's just your opinion. Most would rather wear a mask and not go to a crowded bar for a year, than have millions die. So gtfo.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that we clearly are already hitting herd immunity. Nothing else can explain the enormous, consistent drop in cases that is occurring right in the middle of what would traditionally be prime respiratory illness season.
The small percentage of people that have been immunized is helping, for sure, but it can't explain the enormity of the drop.
Where is the statistical information that we are hitting herd immunity?
Most likely we have 20-30% max of the country having had the virus. That's nowhere near 70% my man.
Opinion: should the infamous Dr. Scott Atlas receive a Nobel Prize or Negligent Homicide charges ?!? A classic example of Trump's incompetence !!
Every infectious disease since the beginning of human history has come in waves. The end of a wave is not the kind of herd immunity that will end a pandemic. It is just a temporary respite until the virus has new wood to burn.
The end of the current wave is the result of a combination of immunity acquired through infection and vaccination, government mandated social distancing/masking and individual vigilance. But it is mainly a herd immunity of the stupid and the unwilling. People who do not care about COVID 19 and blow off social distancing have very high infection rates now and high levels of immunity. People who have no choice but to be exposed because their jobs require it are also seeing high levels of infection. Thus, when you take people who have the highest level of social interactions and give them a high level of immunity, you start to limit the number of superspreader events.
But this can change very quickly if people who have been vigilant change their habits and if a highly contagious variant or escape variant takes over. The current "herd immunity" is pretty sh#tty in that we are still seeing very high levels of infection and are not even back to what was the peak of the summer wave. This indicates that we are no where near any level of immunity that would protect us from variants or allow people with no immunity to go back to normal. There is still a lot of wood left to burn and the virus is only getting better at doing its job.
Speed over 60 wrote:
Sure... that's why the Lancet, the British Medical Journal, says that Trump's incompetence and lack of Covid leadership was responsible for 40 percent of our losses. ( 200,000!)
Who is responsible for the rest of the deaths in the world? Last I heard the virus didn't come from the White House, or did I miss the episode of CNN?
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