WR in one event Olympic Gold in another? Only Ovett?

Not Nomar wrote:

Jackie Joyner-Kersee. WR Heptathlon, OG Long Jump.

She also won OG in Heptahthlon and has set WR in LJ.

The OP is looking for athletes who have won olympic Gold in one event (and have not set a WR in this event) and have set a WR in another (olympic) event (and have not won olympic Gold in this event).

Armstronglivs wrote:

Thereandback wrote:

Jazy not a top 5k runner? In 1965, he beat both Clarke and Keino in the big 5000m clash of the year.

One race. But no wr or medals in that event. Better in the shorter distance - silver in 1500 and wr for mile.

Well, Jazy was the best 5000m in the world in 1965, and had there been a World Championships that year, then we probably would have got the gold. The trouble is, the athletic world, generally remembers his 5k failure at the Olympics in 1964 but, as is often said, the Olympics came year too early for Michel. For example, going into the Olympics, Michel's best time for 5 K was 13mins 46 sec but In 1965, he ran13min 27 secs; indeed, had he ran that time a few month's earlier it would have been a world record. And, Michel was still brilliant over 5000m the following year, 1966, when he won the European title,

ikloper wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Already mentioned. Try reading the thread.

I have. I just tried to clarify this for the thread starter, but it was not necessary.

As someone mentioned somewhere else: your arrogance has no limit.

Dont be coy; tell me what you really think.

A duel meet? What, with guns and whatnot?

Armstronglivs wrote:

ikloper wrote:

I have. I just tried to clarify this for the thread starter, but it was not necessary.

As someone mentioned somewhere else: your arrogance has no limit.

Dont be coy; tell me what you really think.

You are completely unable to admit a mistake. And, as said, you are extremely arrogant.

WRwatcher wrote:

Ovett record in mile 1500 2 mile. Gold in 800m.

I have a lot of respect for Steve Ovett, but Ovett benefited from many nations not appearing at 1980 Summer Olympics. Ovett, if I recall was the only man with 800m Olympic final experience at 1980 Summer Olympics 800m final. Ovett, boxed in with 410m to go knew how to escaped without dropping to last and circling the field.

Ovett benefited from 54.5ish first lap. If no boycott, it was likely Don Paige would have made 800m final. Paige, never a fan of racing 1st 400m sub-50, but Paige knew his pure speed limitations. Paige would not have allowed first 400m to be any slower than 52.99. Mike Boit would have been likely to make 800m final. If Kenya competes in Summer Olympics, often Kenya will have two men in 800m final. If Mike Boit would have had another Kenyan, 1st lap would have been sub-51. Coe knew James Robinson possessed superior sprinting speed. When Coe raced Robinson, Coe knew to be ahead of Robinson with 250m to go. If James Robinson were in 800m final, no way Coe would have been back there passing 400m in 55 plus seconds.

It is a near certainty, if no boycott, 1st 400m would have been passed in sub-53. I do not believe Ovett from 1979 on could have defeated Coe in a fast 800m race. I do not believe Ovett could have out-kicked James Robinson in a 54.5ish 1st 400m 800m race. Ovett's 800m Olympic gold was a one-off.

The Unkle wrote:

No American man has ever held the world record at 3,000m, the steeplechase, 5,000m, 10,000m,

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The last American to hold a WR over any distance longer than 400m (not counting event like the 500m, 600m) was Jim Ryun (mile, 1500) or Rick Wolhuter(880 yards, 1000m).

Khalid Kannouchi

Khalid Skah

10,000 gold

2 mile WR (although this is obviously not contested at the oly games)

Filbert Bayi was somewhat close, 1500 WR, SC silver.

Coe was intentionally blocked by the two East Germans after playing safe and starting off at the back. If it had been faster, he might not even have gotten a medal.

Of course, maybe the two East Germans wouldn't have both qualified if there had been no boycott.

Then again, if Coe had won the 800m, Ovett might have won the 1500m - I think even Coe has said that.

Also, you have to bear in mind that Ovett and Coe were facing doped to the max Soviet Bloc runner in the capital of the Evil Empire. If the games had been anywhere else, perhaps Straub would not have had the juice to make that long run out from 700m that effectively handed the gold to Coe on a plate.

People here (usually Americans) always denigrate Ovett's 800m abilities. I think he was unbeaten over 800m for 4 or 5 years aside from the loss to doped up Beyer in Prague.

Is this the legendary kick of Robinson that even Coe couldn't match?

The Unkle wrote:

No American man has ever held the world record at 3,000m, the steeplechase, 5,000m, 10,000m,

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The last American to hold a WR over any distance longer than 400m (not counting event like the 500m, 600m) was Jim Ryun (mile, 1500) or Rick Wolhuter(880 yards, 1000m).

Khalid Khannouchi might disagree.

Coevett wrote:

People here (usually Americans) always denigrate Ovett's 800m abilities. I think he was unbeaten over 800m for 4 or 5 years aside from the loss to doped up Beyer in Prague.

He has lost 800m races in 70, 71, 73, 74, 75, 76, 78, 79, 82, 83, 84, 88, 89, has not beaten 1:48 in 77 and not 1:46 in 81 and not raced the distance in 85, 86, 87, 90. When was this fantastic Moses or Balas-like 4 or 5 years long winning streak?

Apart from Coe in the 78 final and Omar Khalifa and Moussa Fall in the 84 semi, he finished behind if someone has run under 1:45.50.

In the Moskow final he must have been disqualified.

52 Kenyans have run faster than him over 800m.

Why is he discussed in regard to the 800m at all?

OK, between his two losses at 6th August 84 and 17th June 88 he has not lost any 800m, and in your very own Math world to call this 4 to 5 years seems legit - my bad. No races at all in this period helped him little bit, but still some great achievement. Some also not very well known fact is that Ovett has never lost over 10000m at all. People talk about Gebrselassie, Bekele or Zatopek but none of them can stand up to Ovett in this regard.

kenya namba 1 wrote:

Coevett wrote:

People here (usually Americans) always denigrate Ovett's 800m abilities. I think he was unbeaten over 800m for 4 or 5 years aside from the loss to doped up Beyer in Prague.

He has lost 800m races in 70, 71, 73, 74, 75, 76, 78, 79, 82, 83, 84, 88, 89, has not beaten 1:48 in 77 and not 1:46 in 81 and not raced the distance in 85, 86, 87, 90. When was this fantastic Moses or Balas-like 4 or 5 years long winning streak?

Apart from Coe in the 78 final and Omar Khalifa and Moussa Fall in the 84 semi, he finished behind if someone has run under 1:45.50.

In the Moskow final he must have been disqualified.

52 Kenyans have run faster than him over 800m.

Why is he discussed in regard to the 800m at all?

Lol, what nonsense.

Between 77 and his last race of 82 (coming back from injury) he lost twice over 800m as far as I can see - to doped up Beyer in Prague and in 79 by 2/10ths of a second to James Robinson after running 3 races in the previous four days, including the day before and the day before that.

There's no reason why he should have been disqualified in Moscow as barging and physical contact was part of the game back then. The two East Germans should have been disqualified for deliberately trying to impede both him and Coe right from the gun.

Not to mention the two GDR athletes were almost certainly doped out of their minds, but I understand that doesn't mean anything to you as a Kenyan.

Lol, 52 Kenyans have been faster than him, and how many have been busted so far, despite the miserable testing and corruption in Kenya? And how many of them were 1500 and Mile world record holders or won 50+ consecutive 1500/Mile races?

We talk about Ovett in relation to the 800 because he won Olympic Gold with the fastest ever 2nd lap (despite getting 'knocked about by Wagennecht') and the biggest winning margin at that time. This despite him being the favorite and world record holder for the 1500m.

Continue to live in your fantasy world - Kenya is finished at 800m.

OK, some local 1:49 wins and a loss in the only international race constitutes some great winning streak for you.

You are obviously talking about a different race, not the 80 final.

For his acting at 20 seconds and at 48 seconds he must have been disqualified. None of the East German runners did anything, just trying not to fall after beeing boxed by the mad Ovett.

Mike Boit from 74 to 77 would have easily beaten Ovett also James Maina in best shape. For David Rudisha Ovett couldn't even have acted as pacemaker until 600m, after 550m he would have been collapsed.

ikloper wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Dont be coy; tell me what you really think.

You are completely unable to admit a mistake. And, as said, you are extremely arrogant.

You're completely unable to understand the point of a simple thread. But very humble. So much to be humble about.

The Ovett fandom around here is over the top. He was good but his record speaks for itself. It doesn't suggest he was better than what he actually achieved. (If he was, then so was everyone else).

Lol, you must be the Kenyan love child of Ventolin. He had a strange obsession with 'Maina Boi' too.

What do you think about 4 of the 11 fastest Kenyan 800m runners from 2017 now being banned by anti-doping?

Milt Campbell won Olympic Decathlon in 1956, and in 1957 became WR holder of 120 yards hurdles with 13.4