I wouldn't say he picked the fight.
The other guy threw the 1st punch.
Given that fact and that he is a trained fighter, I would hope he is being hit with criminal charges
Elite OU College Football Player Severely Beaten by Trained Fighter in Bar Fight
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A decade off “mma training” but can’t sink a rear light naked choke on a drunk dude. Not to mention the three or four punches he lands and barely gets a reaction out of the guy. That was a cheap shot but it looks like he thought the guy he punched was the one who pushed him? It’d be interesting to know. However he’ll probably get a felony and he had to roll on the floor of a men’s bath room just to get it lol.
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No offense, but a white guy receiver isn't an elite athlete in the fighting sense.
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the media is corrupt wrote:
Do you even know what a sucker punch is? Because that wasn’t a sucker punch. Except tough football guy trying to intimidate a smaller guy turned out to be a sucker.
If you punch a guy who's not maintaining a defensive posture, I call it a sucker punch. Football douche even appeared to be distracted by MMA douche's pockets or something. There's a reason for the old tropes of "let's take this outside" and "put up your dukes." -
In the 1970, NFL defensive linemen Ed "Too Tall" Jones and Lyle Alzado each left the league for a while and trained to be professional boxers. Alzodo's foray into boxing was more of a stunt but Jones actually fought some low-level pros. It became clear that neither were cut out for boxing no matter how hard they tried and they came back to play football again. They were all-pro level players, not this college guy in a bar, and they couldn't cross over.
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The most important quality in fighting isn't athleticism, it's other things like mental toughness, skill etc. That's why football players usually don't do well when they transition to fighting sports.
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bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
The fighter speaks. He's not really that small himself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azcrk7JEm3k
He speaks to say it wasnt him.
so, no, not the fighter, so the size of soemone else doesnt matter.
Ben Askren says it wasnt ben askren. people beleive him, but he could be lieing. -
rojo wrote:
Wow. What does it say about our society that instead of trying to stop the fight, in the year 2021, everyone's first instinct is to grab their phone and give play by play for twitter.
It's like people almost think it's virtual and not real.
Going to go out on a limb and say that there was never a time in history when many people would jump into the middle of a bar fight to try to break it up. -
A couple basic rules were broken:
-Never get into a bar fight. There is always someone tougher at the bar, you just never know who it is until it is too late.
-Never fight a guy wearing sweats at a bar.
-Notice the smaller guy's shoulders remain squared to his opponent as he turns his head to talk to his brother. If you are talking junk to guy doing this, be ready to get punched.
-Never wear a turtleneck with a acid-washed jean jacket.
-Never get into a bar fight.
The only winner in this video is the guy who somehow stumbles through the two fights without spilling his drink. -
I would add as shown in A Bronx Tale to leave the bar if given the chance.
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bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
Except if the OU guy with his natural athleticism takes up MMA he would beat the other guy 9 times out of 10. Football players who transition to MMA tend to be way better than average Joe MMA's who have no true athleticism. Pretty sure the football guy is stronger and faster and more agile than the MMA guy but is lacking in technical ability. Give him 3 years of training and he would wreck the dude.
south congress wrote:
Play stupid games...win stupid prizes
Not necessarily. That's way too much assuming there. Just because you are a Division 1 football guy doesn't mean you would be good at fighting with training. You also don't know the background of the dude who just beat him down. Lots of people have "natural athleticism" who don't decide to play Division 1 football. -
gdm wrote:
the media is corrupt wrote:
Do you even know what a sucker punch is? Because that wasn’t a sucker punch. Except tough football guy trying to intimidate a smaller guy turned out to be a sucker.
If you punch a guy who's not maintaining a defensive posture, I call it a sucker punch. Football douche even appeared to be distracted by MMA douch
The football douche wasn't in a defensive posture because he was the aggressor. In fact both football players were aggressive and agitated and at both sides. When the first brother took out the guy to the left the other brother slipped behind him and took out the guy wearing blue to the right.
I'm assuming the guy to the right had his occipital bone broken when he got slammed against the wall. -
Flagpole wrote:
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
Except if the OU guy with his natural athleticism takes up MMA he would beat the other guy 9 times out of 10. Football players who transition to MMA tend to be way better than average Joe MMA's who have no true athleticism. Pretty sure the football guy is stronger and faster and more agile than the MMA guy but is lacking in technical ability. Give him 3 years of training and he would wreck the dude.
south congress wrote:
Play stupid games...win stupid prizes
Not necessarily. That's way too much assuming there. Just because you are a Division 1 football guy doesn't mean you would be good at fighting with training. You also don't know the background of the dude who just beat him down. Lots of people have "natural athleticism" who don't decide to play Division 1 football.
The one player was a field goal placeholder, hardly a natural athlete. -
@rojo wrote:
rojo wrote:
Wow. What does it say about our society that instead of trying to stop the fight, in the year 2021, everyone's first instinct is to grab their phone and give play by play for twitter.
It's like people almost think it's virtual and not real.
Going to go out on a limb and say that there was never a time in history when many people would jump into the middle of a bar fight to try to break it up.
Actually most bar fights end quickly when other patrons break it up before it goes too far. -
And we wonder how Covid keeps traveling through our country at the rate it is.
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sp2 wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Seems kind of effed up to me. There shouldn't be MMA guys getting in bar fights and they should have been up front about their training. It looked like the guy was really trying to hurt Jones and it didn't look like self-defense. If he had lost the eye it would have cost him a possible NFL career. There is an investigation under way and hopefully the MMA brothers will be arrested.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/oklahoma/.amp/football/report-norman-police-investigating-spencer-jones-bar-fight
Actually, to someone with an IQ over 80, it looked like the scumbag football player had probably already punched or slapped the MUCH-smaller kid in the face (hence the fact that the kid looks to be wiping blood off his mouth, and appears to have a bruise on his face) right before the vid starts, and was continuing to harrass, mock, provoke, and shove the much-smaller kid, at which point the much-smaller kid finally decides he's had enough, and proceeds to beat the living sh*t out of the loud-mouthed a**hole football player.
But you go right ahead with the dumbest possible take.
My guess is the loud-mouthed a**hole football player has probably had this kind of thing coming for a very long time. He finally learned an incredibly powerful lesson.
Maybe he'll start to act like a little more of a human being now?
And if his stupidity interferes with his football career, I guess that's just a tragedy the human race will have to somehow live with. Oh well.
Where do you draw the line? If a guy has Judo training, is it OK to flip someone on their head. What about one of those kicks to deliberately blow out someone's knee? The MMA guy did not have the right to do do anything short of killing the guy.
The MMA guy is not a hero. He knew he had a 100% chance of winning the fight. He could have easily just stepped out of the bathroom.
It would have been horrific if Jones had lost his eye. Playing football is likely to be his passion in life. About 20 years ago there was a European soccer player that was making good coin playing in the J-League in Japan. He lost in eye in a barfight in Roppongi and ended up committing suicide about 10 years later.
The MMA guy was the one didn't act like a human. Would you be so cavalier if the victim had been your son or a close friend? -
pupil3142 wrote:
bartholomew_maxwell wrote:
The fighter speaks. He's not really that small himself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azcrk7JEm3k
He speaks to say it wasnt him.
so, no, not the fighter, so the size of soemone else doesnt matter.
Ben Askren says it wasnt ben askren. people beleive him, but he could be lieing.
The real brawler identified himself, so why do you think that Ben Askren could be lying? -
If my friend, and I mean good friend, isn't involved in that fight, no shot I am getting involved to break it up. Nonsense alliances are a reason WW1 was what it was. I'm going to be Switzerland and mind my own business.
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You don’t even know what you are saying at this point. I never said I knew the context behind the fight. People like you keep saying its due to small man syndrome with zero evidence he is small and zero evidence he started the fight. You should stay away from the legal field. I’d hate to watch you declare someone guilty based on a short video.
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Where do you draw the line? Someone who is trained in something shouldn’t use that training?
If the football player cared at all about his football career he wouldn’t be out at bars getting into fights.
If the football guy started the fight then he needs to accept the consequences. If he didn’t start it, then it’s time to talk about criminal charges.
