This is a valid point. Should this kid’s life be permanently over because of something he said, even if he 100% changes his thoughts and actions going forward?
If you are not interested in reforming people and reintegrating them in to society you are creating a bigger problem. Either eventual suicide or he finds others like him to continue the hate. We need to do better than that.
UCLA xc member's rant with racist/homophobic language blows up on social media, he's kicked off team
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rojo wrote:
under a bridge wrote:
LetsRun.com wrote:
The black head coach of UCLA has also issued a statement
Thanks for that important distinction, Robert.
I think you are being sarcastic but will replay anyway.
I thought it was important in this day and age to mention the race of the coach. If a white head coach had tried to give him a second chance, like the UCLA coach initially did, then even more people would be outraged. Most people don't know the race of the UCLA coach.
I mean one of the first twitter responses is from an alum saying the coach should be fired which I think is ridiculous particularly given the fact that the coach is black.
running2begood wrote:
the kid obviously has issues, he deserves to be kicked off the team and other consequences. I'm worried about the kid though, SJWs might push it too far, and with a kid that already has issues that could push him over the edge. The kid said the word as an insult to a black man, there is no excuse. I can see people trying to defend him if he just said it in a joke or in a song that he was singing, but this is different. We just gotta make sure not to push it too far. That could end someones life.
I agree he should lose the privilege of being an intercollegiate athlete (i always say we don't have a right to be an elite level athlete) but also like you am concerned where this is headed.
In the year 2021, people's lowest moments are now filmed and aired to the world. Do we know who filmed it? The kid said some AWFUL things but his mom was trying to help educate him. The coach even wanted to give him a 2nd chance.
Ironically, he's now really screwed that the coach wanted to try to give him a second chance after the suspension because now it's a national story and whenever his name is googled, this stuff will come up. Some will say he deserves it but for how long? A big movement right now in terms of crimianl justice is to forgive young felons. In Europe there is a "right to be erasure" on the Internet. After so many years, links to old stories can be removed.
That too though could be troubling as one could argue you end up like the Catholic church. It's all very hard in the digital age. But if he'd been quietly kicked off the team, things would be way better for him in the short term, although I guess whoever had the video would always be able to hold that over him with future jobs and what not.
You were correct to assume it was sarcasm, because no I don't think the race of the UCLA coach is important. Pointing to it reeked of, "You can't criticize the way the coach handled this because he's black".
I agree that the loser kid should not be blackballed for life, but that is up to the educational institutions and potential employers to decide and evaluate his redemption. Certainly he could change and certainly the social media mob will try to go overboard. I don't blame the team for letting him go, regardless of overzealous keyboard jockeys. -
Few things here:
1. Don't we know by now that in California it is illegal to record someone without their knowledge. Kids going to sue whoever did this. If he doesn't kill himself first. If he killed himself, then his family will sue UCLA, the coach, this site, and likely every registered user that commented.
2. The coach didn't give him a second chance, because when push came to shove, the coach bent over to political correctness (pathetic), which just furthers peoples rational for racism being that the coach is black.
3. This is a kid. I have heard worse at every NFL football game from the players, far worse from rap and pop artists, significantly more hateful things said by BLM, and very hateful things on this board everyday, without using these specific words.
Grow up. -
Stu...Stu Padaso wrote:
Grow up.
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As much as I hate what this kid said, a male doesn't develop into his adult brain until about 25. I don't like seeing anyone scarred for life for doing something they themselves in a few years will say that was stupid. However, there are and should be appropriate punishments for any stage in life and in this social media age, you almost have to kick him off the team. With that said, when I was coaching, what this kids said would get you a one-on-one counseling session with me and a warning not to do it again. I would also try to help him understand why what he did was wrong and grow from it. I don't like seeing a young person destroyed for being stupid knowing I've had my moments of stupidity when I was young. Btw, I would say the same thing about a young Black who steals a car or gets busted for pot.
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No one here has expressed any concern for the ex-girlfriend. What we should be asking is:
What was missing that she felt the need to get some strange?
Did her new man bring the thunder in a way her scrawny ex could not?
Now that she has experienced new things, can she not "go back"? -
Oh Please wrote:
Yea, this is my thought. It is not that "I support his behavior", as those PC types would like to suggest. Merely if we believe in humans being able to be rehabilitated, then it should go for words as well as for violent crimes.
Of course people deserve to be rehabilitated.
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TrackCoach wrote:
As much as I hate what this kid said, a male doesn't develop into his adult brain until about 25.
As someone who was once a 25 year old male, this is the stupidest thing I've seen on here yet.
It ALMOST sounds like you're justifying his hate speech. -
stop it please wrote:
Who cares? So he said a bad word. Does he deserve to be expelled because of it? Should he be prohibited from ever getting an education because of it? Should he never be hired for a job because of it? Should his life be ruined because of it?
Really good questions. Statements made by a young man who was clearly very distressed shouldn't result in being expelled. A more appropriate consequence could have been made.
Obviously some people caved to black activists and didn't want to be tarnished with the racist label too. The event even occurred before you was a student there. -
All these folks saying 'His actions are inappropriate and he should be kicked off the team but why can't he have a shot a rehabilitation' are arguing a strawman.
This stuff got out because people in the know thought he should be kicked off the team. He's been kicked off the team. No one's saying he should be ostracized forever, but his 'punisment' was to be suspended for the winter and then reinstated after showing what appears to be no reconciliation, remorse or rehabilitation? What...he missed indoor track during Covid times? All that has happened to him at this point is he was kicked off the team. Which you agreed should happen to him.
People get more bent out of shape about the hypotheticals of the dreaded 'cancel culture' than what actually happens most of the time. -
TrackCoach wrote:
As much as I hate what this kid said, a male doesn't develop into his adult brain until about 25.
So...any male that's committed a crime before 25 gets off the hook? We both know that's not how this works. -
Dwightarm wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:
As much as I hate what this kid said, a male doesn't develop into his adult brain until about 25.
As someone who was once a 25 year old male, this is the stupidest thing I've seen on here yet.
It ALMOST sounds like you're justifying his hate speech.
Actually, Dwightarm, it's a known fact that a really good one-on-one counseling session from a track coach can prune most racist synapses from the developing prefrontal cortex, even if said prefrontal cortex belongs to a "young Black". You just gotta catch that brain before it hits 25, give or take a few months.
Sidenote: brains themselves are neither black nor white, but mostly gray (i.e., black + white)?!?! -
Dwightarm wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:
As much as I hate what this kid said, a male doesn't develop into his adult brain until about 25.
As someone who was once a 25 year old male, this is the stupidest thing I've seen on here yet.
It ALMOST sounds like you're justifying his hate speech.
This line of thought is exactly why UCLA caved and expelled this kid. Track coach was expressing ideas for a more appropriate consequence, immediately a poster jumps in and accuses him a being ok with racist speech and through implication suggesting track coach is racist.
That's why we have over reactions to this stuff. -
what republicans think? wrote:
Dwightarm wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:
As much as I hate what this kid said, a male doesn't develop into his adult brain until about 25.
As someone who was once a 25 year old male, this is the stupidest thing I've seen on here yet.
It ALMOST sounds like you're justifying his hate speech.
Track coach was expressing ideas for a more appropriate consequence, immediately a poster jumps in and accuses him a being ok with racist speech and through implication suggesting track coach is racist.
“More appropriate” as decided by whom? -
rojo wrote:
voice of raisin wrote:
The current PC moment is fascinating. I agree the same citizens that would gleefully hope this kid is barred from opportunities forever are the same folks pushing for a justice system that takes it easier on violent criminals. Rehabilitation and second chances for physical violence; doomed forever for words. Bizarre.
I am not defending this ucla kid, I would kick him off the team if I was coach. I just can’t stand irrationality or hypocrisy, whether from the right or left.
I guess you posted as I was typing my response many of my thoughts in terms of criminal justice. Nice post.
The same people who make the argument to give this kid another chance were NEVER a part of the criminal justice reform. So it’s not like you wanted to give poor and minority “criminals” a second chance. The GOP doesn’t even want ex criminals to vote.
The kid will also have a second chance if he so chooses . He could do volunteer and charity work to rehab his image. -
Dwightarm wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:
As much as I hate what this kid said, a male doesn't develop into his adult brain until about 25.
As someone who was once a 25 year old male, this is the stupidest thing I've seen on here yet.
It ALMOST sounds like you're justifying his hate speech.
Maybe you didn't appreciate the comment because your brain hasn't fully developed yet. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708 -
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You guys are acting like getting kicked off a college track team is the end all be all of life. He should 100 percent be kicked off the team, and 99% be kicked out of school.
He can go to some community college or another college if he can afford UCLA. This guy needs to learn the repercussions of his actions -
your parents wrote:
what republicans think? wrote:
Dwightarm wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:
As much as I hate what this kid said, a male doesn't develop into his adult brain until about 25.
As someone who was once a 25 year old male, this is the stupidest thing I've seen on here yet.
It ALMOST sounds like you're justifying his hate speech.
Track coach was expressing ideas for a more appropriate consequence, immediately a poster jumps in and accuses him a being ok with racist speech and through implication suggesting track coach is racist.
“More appropriate” as decided by whom?
UCLA administration and the coach. Actually they initially didn't expel the kid and they must have felt their consequence was appropriate. They only expelled the kid due to political pressure.
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what republicans think? wrote:
your parents wrote:
what republicans think? wrote:
Dwightarm wrote:
TrackCoach wrote:
As much as I hate what this kid said, a male doesn't develop into his adult brain until about 25.
As someone who was once a 25 year old male, this is the stupidest thing I've seen on here yet.
It ALMOST sounds like you're justifying his hate speech.
Track coach was expressing ideas for a more appropriate consequence, immediately a poster jumps in and accuses him a being ok with racist speech and through implication suggesting track coach is racist.
“More appropriate” as decided by whom?
UCLA administration and the coach. Actually they initially didn't expel the kid and they must have felt their consequence was appropriate. They only expelled the kid due to political pressure.
Sad
Or maybe they came to the conclusion that it was more appropriate for the team to move on without this athlete.
